1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:03,636 --> 00:00:06,306 (upbeat music) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:21,755 - If you can look out the window, 5 00:00:21,821 --> 00:00:23,156 obviously behind you, 6 00:00:23,223 --> 00:00:26,493 you see this, sort of, brick building here. 7 00:00:26,526 --> 00:00:27,927 This brick, 8 00:00:27,961 --> 00:00:29,863 uncolored building here. 9 00:00:29,929 --> 00:00:30,930 When you look at the roofs, 10 00:00:30,964 --> 00:00:32,298 does that kinda take you back 11 00:00:32,365 --> 00:00:36,069 to being in Savile Row and that kinda look? 12 00:00:36,136 --> 00:00:39,639 - I don't think I'm seeing the same building you are. 13 00:00:39,673 --> 00:00:41,141 Mine's white. 14 00:00:41,174 --> 00:00:43,009 - Well then, there's another one there. 15 00:00:43,076 --> 00:00:44,544 (both laugh) 16 00:00:44,611 --> 00:00:45,912 The one next to it. (Chris laughs) 17 00:00:45,979 --> 00:00:46,646 Okay. 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,515 The one next to it. 19 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:49,349 The one next to it. 20 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:50,250 How does, 21 00:00:50,283 --> 00:00:51,017 You know, if you look at the, sort of, 22 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,385 architecture around here, 23 00:00:52,452 --> 00:00:55,388 does it kind of take you back to that, sort of, period? 24 00:00:55,455 --> 00:00:56,156 - No. 25 00:00:56,222 --> 00:00:58,024 Not really. (laughs) 26 00:00:58,091 --> 00:00:59,059 - Answered the question straight. 27 00:00:59,125 --> 00:01:00,894 - [Cameraman] That didn't work then. 28 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,662 - [Chris] My name is Chris O'Dell, 29 00:01:02,696 --> 00:01:06,032 but some of you may know me as Miss O'Dell. 30 00:01:06,099 --> 00:01:09,202 In the late 1960s and early '70s, 31 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:12,772 life for a girl out of small town Tucson, Arizona 32 00:01:12,839 --> 00:01:15,975 became pretty extraordinary. 33 00:01:16,009 --> 00:01:17,143 - [Simon] Who's that? 34 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:18,511 - [Chris] That would be me. 35 00:01:18,578 --> 00:01:21,381 - Jimmy Page told me it was his party. 36 00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:24,050 - [Chris] Yoko had never been with John before in public. 37 00:01:24,117 --> 00:01:25,985 I'm gonna ask her, can I come over 38 00:01:26,052 --> 00:01:28,254 and would you help me do my makeup sometime? 39 00:01:28,288 --> 00:01:29,756 When you start with The Beatles, 40 00:01:29,823 --> 00:01:31,691 your resume looks really good. 41 00:01:31,758 --> 00:01:33,126 So, go to The Stones, 42 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:35,095 that's the next step on the run. 43 00:01:35,161 --> 00:01:37,530 - How did it, sort of, feel like to be responsible 44 00:01:37,564 --> 00:01:41,034 for looking after a band like the Rolling Stones on tour? 45 00:01:41,067 --> 00:01:42,435 Did it ever, sort of, dawn, oh, my god, 46 00:01:42,502 --> 00:01:44,204 I'm looking after The Rolling Stones. 47 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:46,339 - Hard work, I've gotta tell you. 48 00:01:46,406 --> 00:01:48,508 - I heard he was a massive flirt. 49 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:50,110 - [Chris] Wouldn't you be if you were Mick Jagger? 50 00:01:50,176 --> 00:01:53,213 - So, do you think Bob Dylan's act is an act 51 00:01:53,246 --> 00:01:54,881 or do you think that really is part of his 52 00:01:54,914 --> 00:01:56,082 - No. - real persona? 53 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:57,384 - I think it really is who he is. 54 00:01:57,417 --> 00:01:59,819 I worked with the holy trinity of rock and roll. 55 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:02,756 I was with Santana and Earth, Wind & Fire in Europe. 56 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:06,026 Then I worked with Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin, 57 00:02:06,059 --> 00:02:07,627 Phil Collins, Genesis. 58 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:10,897 Apple was where everyone wanted to be. 59 00:02:10,930 --> 00:02:14,100 This was the hub of everything. 60 00:02:14,167 --> 00:02:16,036 - Apple Records is not interested 61 00:02:16,069 --> 00:02:17,470 in signing David Bowie. 62 00:02:17,537 --> 00:02:18,171 (Chris sighs) 63 00:02:18,204 --> 00:02:19,806 And it's typed by you. 64 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:21,641 - There was an inner circle. 65 00:02:21,708 --> 00:02:22,842 - [Pattie] Mm-hm. 66 00:02:22,909 --> 00:02:26,446 - And that not many people got into that inner circle. 67 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,148 - [Narrator] Before she's even 25, 68 00:02:28,214 --> 00:02:30,316 Chris has achieved the impossible. 69 00:02:30,383 --> 00:02:33,486 - I grew up in an era of free love, flower power, 70 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,623 sex, booze, drugs, and rock and roll. 71 00:02:36,656 --> 00:02:38,825 He would take acid and come in and just 72 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:39,893 sit on the filing cabinet. 73 00:02:39,926 --> 00:02:40,994 - Oh, geez. 74 00:02:41,027 --> 00:02:43,363 - He was unstable. 75 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:44,197 You know? - That's one way 76 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:45,298 of putting it. (both laugh) 77 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:47,334 Oh, you wanna go there? 78 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,768 - I go everywhere. 79 00:02:48,835 --> 00:02:49,969 (Chris laughs) 80 00:02:50,036 --> 00:02:51,171 - [Cameraman] He's like god. 81 00:02:51,204 --> 00:02:52,939 (all laugh) 82 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:54,374 - But much shorter 83 00:02:54,407 --> 00:02:55,909 (Chris laughs) and less hair. 84 00:02:55,975 --> 00:02:57,544 - The song "Miss O'Dell" 85 00:02:57,610 --> 00:02:59,946 is more about that than it is about me. 86 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:01,648 Oh dear, naive me. 87 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,216 - Who would've known 88 00:03:03,283 --> 00:03:04,884 that that would've been The Beatles's last concert? 89 00:03:04,951 --> 00:03:07,120 - You know what he said to me when he first played it? 90 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:08,688 I'm gonna make you famous. 91 00:03:08,722 --> 00:03:09,723 - He never hated anyone 92 00:03:09,789 --> 00:03:12,492 as much as he hated Paul McCartney in 1968. 93 00:03:12,559 --> 00:03:14,027 - Oh. - Kind of almost like 94 00:03:14,094 --> 00:03:15,228 a Britain invasion. 95 00:03:15,261 --> 00:03:17,097 - Like this he went (hands clap) 96 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:18,264 and pulled the trigger. 97 00:03:18,331 --> 00:03:20,633 - Gosh, we were all crazy. 98 00:03:21,668 --> 00:03:24,804 Okay, and that's the end of that story. (laughs) 99 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:26,206 I did acid with one of them 100 00:03:26,272 --> 00:03:28,341 and he took me on his Harley. 101 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:29,409 (Natalie laughs) 102 00:03:29,442 --> 00:03:30,243 - Yeah, - Through the streets 103 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,244 of London. (laughs) - stupid. 104 00:03:31,277 --> 00:03:33,780 - It was like a sensory overload. 105 00:03:33,847 --> 00:03:36,549 - They called it the Swinging Sixties for a reason. 106 00:03:36,583 --> 00:03:38,852 Times were so different then, weren't they? 107 00:03:38,885 --> 00:03:42,155 Birth control pills first came onto the market. 108 00:03:42,188 --> 00:03:43,623 So many, - Weren't men happy with that? 109 00:03:43,690 --> 00:03:45,358 Of course they were. (Chris laughs) 110 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:46,192 Are you kidding? 111 00:03:46,259 --> 00:03:47,460 - They were thrilled. 112 00:03:47,527 --> 00:03:51,398 Sex became a way of getting to know each other. 113 00:03:51,464 --> 00:03:52,599 - George is little bit of a naughty boy. 114 00:03:52,665 --> 00:03:53,767 So, after George and I got married, 115 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:57,037 I thought, (gasps) maybe this was a mistake. 116 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:59,572 - This is where John and Yoko first met. 117 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:01,708 - [Bob] But some people did refer to you 118 00:04:01,775 --> 00:04:02,776 as groupie at the time. 119 00:04:02,842 --> 00:04:06,112 - Well, I never considered myself a groupie. 120 00:04:06,179 --> 00:04:08,114 I felt like I worked my way through all of it. 121 00:04:08,148 --> 00:04:09,516 I wanted love. 122 00:04:09,549 --> 00:04:12,585 All they wanted to do was hold my hand. (laughs) 123 00:04:12,619 --> 00:04:16,089 But it was also a time of great change. 124 00:04:16,156 --> 00:04:18,191 There was a feeling of liberation, 125 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:21,261 hope, freedom, and excitement. 126 00:04:21,327 --> 00:04:22,996 - [Bob] And I parachuted down here 127 00:04:23,063 --> 00:04:26,299 into the most incredible energy, 128 00:04:26,366 --> 00:04:30,103 the most amazing scenes bursting into color. 129 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:32,772 You know, all the clubs, the bands, 130 00:04:32,806 --> 00:04:34,274 the arts, the movies. 131 00:04:34,341 --> 00:04:35,141 - [Chris] The fashion. 132 00:04:35,175 --> 00:04:36,242 - [Bob] The fashion. 133 00:04:36,309 --> 00:04:37,410 - [Chris] But much of this was set 134 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:38,912 against a darker background 135 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:42,982 of conflicts and wars that raged on different continents. 136 00:04:45,151 --> 00:04:47,354 * Yeah they feel the death plague * 137 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:49,522 - During the Vietnam War, 138 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:51,257 I was living in London 139 00:04:51,324 --> 00:04:54,461 and I have to admit, quite ashamedly, 140 00:04:54,527 --> 00:04:58,665 that I really wasn't exactly aware of the Vietnam War. 141 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:01,568 My husband, who's a veteran, was fighting 142 00:05:01,601 --> 00:05:04,904 and I was doing peace and love with The Beatles in London. 143 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:09,142 It wasn't until I came back some years later 144 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:11,244 and tried to contact some people, 145 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:13,847 that I found out that some men had been killed, 146 00:05:13,913 --> 00:05:15,048 some were, 147 00:05:15,081 --> 00:05:17,050 had lost limbs, 148 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:19,886 and a lot had PTSD. 149 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:23,857 In some ways, it was the perfect canvas for creatives, 150 00:05:23,923 --> 00:05:26,426 who seized the moment to tell their stories 151 00:05:26,493 --> 00:05:29,429 and try to make the world a better place, 152 00:05:29,496 --> 00:05:32,098 or at least a more meaningful one. 153 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:33,733 I've come back to the United Kingdom 154 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:37,937 to retrace my footsteps here with filmmaker, Simon Weitzman 155 00:05:37,971 --> 00:05:40,607 and a host of lovely people. 156 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:43,410 - You were saying, initially, that it's great 157 00:05:43,443 --> 00:05:45,278 'cause these guys were from England 158 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,147 and that was a far off land. 159 00:05:47,213 --> 00:05:48,581 But there must been some of that effect, 160 00:05:48,648 --> 00:05:49,716 with you coming here, 161 00:05:49,749 --> 00:05:51,251 that people looked at you and (gasps) 162 00:05:51,317 --> 00:05:52,852 she's so amazing. 163 00:05:52,886 --> 00:05:54,487 She comes from America. 164 00:05:54,521 --> 00:05:56,356 Did you get that impression? 165 00:05:56,389 --> 00:05:58,591 - No. (laughs) 166 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:00,460 - Okay, thanks, and that's the end of the film. 167 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:01,594 - And that's the end of the story. 168 00:06:01,661 --> 00:06:05,065 (upbeat twangy music) 169 00:06:15,442 --> 00:06:18,678 (upbeat twangy music continues) 170 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:21,181 * I'm the only one down here * 171 00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:26,653 * Who's got nothing to say about the war or the rice * 172 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,424 * That keeps going astray on its way to Bombay * 173 00:06:31,458 --> 00:06:34,527 (upbeat twangy music) 174 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:41,368 * That smog that keeps polluting up our shores * 175 00:06:41,434 --> 00:06:43,536 * Is boring me to tears * 176 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:46,773 * Why don't you call me * 177 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:48,074 * Miss O'Dell * 178 00:06:48,141 --> 00:06:51,344 (upbeat twangy music fades) 179 00:06:51,378 --> 00:06:55,782 - Coming into London was like coming into a world 180 00:06:55,849 --> 00:06:59,319 so different from everything I'd just left in Hollywood. 181 00:06:59,352 --> 00:07:00,954 I didn't want anything to change, 182 00:07:01,021 --> 00:07:04,157 but I could see the changes that were made there. 183 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:05,025 It, you know, 184 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:06,926 It was so overwhelming. 185 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:11,097 I don't know if I really, actually, was able to feel 186 00:07:11,164 --> 00:07:14,234 the deep emotions that were, unlikely, there 187 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:17,470 because there are just so many memories. 188 00:07:18,672 --> 00:07:22,275 - Just as a lot of those American records 189 00:07:22,342 --> 00:07:23,677 were really kicking in, 190 00:07:23,743 --> 00:07:25,278 all of a sudden, bam, 191 00:07:25,345 --> 00:07:26,646 there was The Beatles. 192 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,449 (fans screaming) (Beatles music plays) 193 00:07:29,516 --> 00:07:30,350 - [Reporter] Some brave volunteers 194 00:07:30,383 --> 00:07:31,718 among the British police 195 00:07:31,785 --> 00:07:34,754 elect to act with heroism above and beyond the call of duty 196 00:07:34,821 --> 00:07:36,790 and escort The Beatles to their car. 197 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:39,526 (fans screaming) (Beatles music plays) 198 00:07:39,592 --> 00:07:42,495 So, there you have the homecoming of The Beatles, 199 00:07:42,562 --> 00:07:44,631 the return of the heroes to their native land. 200 00:07:44,698 --> 00:07:46,399 They did what the red coats couldn't do 201 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:48,401 in the American Revolution. 202 00:07:48,435 --> 00:07:49,869 - Do you ever think back to that moment 203 00:07:49,936 --> 00:07:52,872 where you are watching it on TV and thinking, 204 00:07:52,906 --> 00:07:56,943 I can't believe I'm, actually, now working with these guys? 205 00:07:56,976 --> 00:07:57,844 - Oh, yeah. 206 00:07:57,877 --> 00:08:00,480 It would be ridiculous to not think back 207 00:08:00,547 --> 00:08:03,783 and see here to there 208 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:05,618 and think, oh, how'd I do that? 209 00:08:06,686 --> 00:08:08,021 - [Narrator] I know what you may be thinking. 210 00:08:08,054 --> 00:08:11,257 How does someone from a small town at the age of 19 211 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:12,592 get to work with The Beatles? 212 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:14,494 Well, let's go back. 213 00:08:14,561 --> 00:08:17,163 (tape rewinds) 214 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,138 - My dad was a teacher and a coach and we lived in, 215 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:26,573 I was born in Indiana, 216 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,309 but then moved to Oklahoma 217 00:08:29,376 --> 00:08:32,145 to a little town called Keota. 218 00:08:32,178 --> 00:08:34,347 Almost sounds Japanese. 219 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:37,283 And had a population of 500 people. 220 00:08:37,317 --> 00:08:39,619 I grew up in really small towns. 221 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:41,955 We moved to Tucson when I was 11. 222 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:45,925 It was just a really kind of normal childhood. 223 00:08:45,959 --> 00:08:50,363 But for some reason I was just drawn to a bigger world 224 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:52,032 than what Tucson had to offer. 225 00:08:52,098 --> 00:08:54,734 - When did you first, sort of, then become aware 226 00:08:54,768 --> 00:08:56,803 of The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, 227 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,705 all of these bands coming on? 228 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:02,242 Like, what was your first kind of experience of that? 229 00:09:02,308 --> 00:09:04,344 - Actually, I was into Motown. 230 00:09:04,411 --> 00:09:07,981 (soothing rhythmic music) 231 00:09:09,849 --> 00:09:14,521 I think I hit Motown around 14 or 15. 232 00:09:14,587 --> 00:09:16,990 And I loved 233 00:09:17,424 --> 00:09:18,091 Motown. 234 00:09:18,158 --> 00:09:19,325 I loved the music. 235 00:09:19,359 --> 00:09:21,194 I loved the feel of it. 236 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:23,329 It expressed what I felt 237 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:24,431 - Yeah. - really well. 238 00:09:24,497 --> 00:09:26,299 - So, had The Miracles started? 239 00:09:26,366 --> 00:09:27,267 - Oh. 240 00:09:27,334 --> 00:09:28,134 Smokey. - Smokey. 241 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:31,304 - I wanted to marry Smokey. - When Smokey sings, yes. 242 00:09:31,371 --> 00:09:32,205 (Chris laughs) 243 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:33,640 I just wanted Smokey. 244 00:09:33,673 --> 00:09:36,676 I realize today, looking back, that 245 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:41,047 music is the way that most of us, as teenagers, 246 00:09:41,081 --> 00:09:43,883 have of understanding our feelings. 247 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:46,519 The type of music that we are listening to 248 00:09:46,553 --> 00:09:49,389 often describes what's going on for us. 249 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:55,228 I was in high school when JFK was shot. 250 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:57,130 And he was such a handsome man. 251 00:09:57,163 --> 00:10:00,967 He looked like he was the future of this country. 252 00:10:01,001 --> 00:10:02,902 It was an, actual, trauma for all of us. 253 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:05,438 I'll never forget that day in school, 254 00:10:05,505 --> 00:10:07,907 walking down the hall and people were talking about it. 255 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:08,942 It was like, no. 256 00:10:09,009 --> 00:10:10,610 This can't be. 257 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:14,347 People my age, we were, kind of like, oh, gosh. 258 00:10:14,414 --> 00:10:17,384 What is this world giving us? 259 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:20,553 What have we got left to look forward to? 260 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,390 And along came The Beatles. 261 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:25,091 For certainly me, 262 00:10:25,158 --> 00:10:28,028 and I think millions of other people, 263 00:10:28,094 --> 00:10:30,530 there was something we'd never seen before. 264 00:10:30,563 --> 00:10:32,632 You know, the long hair. 265 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:34,467 The music was so simple. 266 00:10:34,567 --> 00:10:35,368 I mean, talk, 267 00:10:35,435 --> 00:10:37,037 You know, the difference 268 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:38,905 between Motown and The Beatles was 269 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:40,540 pretty vast. - Huge, yeah. 270 00:10:40,607 --> 00:10:41,775 Yeah. - I don't know 271 00:10:41,841 --> 00:10:44,244 that we thought of it as a British invasion, 272 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:45,178 which it was. 273 00:10:45,245 --> 00:10:47,914 - [Bob] When The Beatles did arrive in America, 274 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:50,183 obviously, there was that incredible impact 275 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:52,519 of the "Ed Sullivan Show." 276 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:54,354 * Oh yeah, I * 277 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:56,289 - You know, that was such an interesting thing, wasn't it? 278 00:10:56,356 --> 00:11:00,960 That The Beatles, originally, were signed to a little label, 279 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:02,295 the Vee Jay record label. 280 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:06,800 It was in no position to cope with the demand 281 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:10,637 for Beatles records that eventually transpired. 282 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:12,205 So, all the singles that have been 283 00:11:12,272 --> 00:11:13,840 being released in Britain, 284 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,209 hadn't really surfaced in America yet 285 00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:18,878 until they appeared on the "Ed Sullivan Show" 286 00:11:18,912 --> 00:11:21,281 and then suddenly all those records, 287 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:23,416 you know, "Love Me Do", "Please Please Me", 288 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,418 "From Me To You," "She Loves You", 289 00:11:25,452 --> 00:11:26,653 "I Want To Hold Your Hand", 290 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,189 they all burst into the charts in America 291 00:11:29,222 --> 00:11:30,590 all at the same time. 292 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:31,958 - I didn't know that. 293 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:34,594 And that explains why there were so many one after the other 294 00:11:34,627 --> 00:11:35,729 hits at that time. - Yeah. 295 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:37,597 They had 14 - Yeah. 296 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:39,699 - of the Billboard Top 100 297 00:11:39,733 --> 00:11:40,834 at one point. - Amazing. 298 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:42,369 - And that was unprecedented. 299 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:43,737 Nobody had ever achieved that. 300 00:11:43,803 --> 00:11:46,740 But it was because of this, sort of, log jam 301 00:11:46,773 --> 00:11:47,707 - Yeah. - of records 302 00:11:47,774 --> 00:11:49,776 that hadn't been properly released 303 00:11:49,843 --> 00:11:51,344 in America yet. - Ah. 304 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,446 - [Bob] But the press conference 305 00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:54,814 that they did at the airport, 306 00:11:54,848 --> 00:11:58,218 where people in the States saw them for the first time, 307 00:11:58,284 --> 00:12:01,688 experienced their incredible chemistry and sense of humor, 308 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:04,891 and that, in itself propelled them, didn't it? 309 00:12:04,924 --> 00:12:05,658 - Oh, - It was part 310 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:06,826 of the whole - totally. 311 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:08,762 - feeling of what this band was about. 312 00:12:08,795 --> 00:12:10,563 - They were so funny. 313 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:11,865 - I hear, anyway, that the four of you 314 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:13,667 are gonna be millionaires by the end of the year. 315 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:14,501 - Really? - Oh. 316 00:12:14,534 --> 00:12:15,402 - Oh, that's nice. - Yeah. 317 00:12:15,468 --> 00:12:17,370 (all laugh) - Hi hopes. 318 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:18,471 - Congratulations. 319 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:19,939 - Have you got time to actually spend this money? 320 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:20,607 - What money? - What money? 321 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:21,775 (all laugh) 322 00:12:21,841 --> 00:12:24,611 - And now suddenly you've got these four kids, 323 00:12:24,678 --> 00:12:29,149 who apparently are unaffected by their fame. 324 00:12:29,182 --> 00:12:32,652 They're just, absolutely, loving every minute of it. 325 00:12:32,686 --> 00:12:36,322 How vigorously and intentionally 326 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:39,659 are you wanting to weave yourself into the scene 327 00:12:39,726 --> 00:12:41,728 that was happening there at that moment? 328 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:43,997 - You know, I didn't have any intention. 329 00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:45,799 I wanted to find my independence. 330 00:12:45,865 --> 00:12:50,003 And so, going to LA, I really didn't have any 331 00:12:50,070 --> 00:12:51,905 idea what I was doing. 332 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:56,943 I had met a band that had played in a club in Tucson, 333 00:12:56,976 --> 00:12:58,945 and one of the guys said, oh, 334 00:12:59,012 --> 00:13:00,880 we're gonna be playing in San Francisco. 335 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,549 Why don't you stay in my flat? 336 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:05,785 I went into this apartment and stayed. 337 00:13:05,852 --> 00:13:07,787 This woman said, I have to go for a job interview. 338 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:08,922 I don't want it. 339 00:13:08,988 --> 00:13:13,560 Well, I got to LA when I was about 19, I think. 340 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:17,364 I went to Dot Records and got the job. 341 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:21,534 At Dot, I really didn't learn too much about anything. 342 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:22,936 I just had fun. 343 00:13:23,003 --> 00:13:26,006 I worked for a man who put out a newsletter, 344 00:13:26,072 --> 00:13:27,674 which back then they did. 345 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:30,944 They would get the singles and play them all 346 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:34,147 and decide which ones should be played on the radio. 347 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:38,184 And they would get paid to advise radio stations 348 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:41,087 what records to play. 349 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:44,357 And I worked for him and did his tip sheet. 350 00:13:44,391 --> 00:13:47,560 Ted Randal Enterprises was a small little company 351 00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:48,661 in Los Angeles. 352 00:13:48,728 --> 00:13:51,331 He was very close to Hollywood and Vine. 353 00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:53,733 He did a lot of radio programming 354 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,402 for Australian stations 355 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:57,904 and many in the United States. 356 00:13:57,937 --> 00:14:00,140 - The night that you get called to say, 357 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:02,175 come to meet Derek Taylor? 358 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:03,276 - Mm-hm. 359 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:04,144 - What year is this? 360 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:04,978 Remind me. 361 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:08,314 - That would be 1968. 362 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:11,518 Alan Rider, who was the promotion man at A&M Records, 363 00:14:11,584 --> 00:14:13,520 introduced me to Derek Taylor. 364 00:14:13,586 --> 00:14:14,654 He worked for The Beatles. 365 00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:18,058 The way that I put it at one time is, they weren't real. 366 00:14:18,091 --> 00:14:20,393 So, anybody who said they knew them, 367 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:21,795 they weren't real either. 368 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:24,330 So, when Alan said, you've gotta meet this man. 369 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:25,899 He's amazing. 370 00:14:25,965 --> 00:14:27,200 Little did I know. 371 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:27,867 (Bob laughs) 372 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:29,903 - [Simon] Describe Derek Taylor, 373 00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:31,905 as a person that's never met Derek Taylor. 374 00:14:31,938 --> 00:14:34,741 What kind of human being was he? 375 00:14:34,808 --> 00:14:36,443 - He was older. 376 00:14:36,476 --> 00:14:38,345 He was in his 30s. 377 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:39,045 (Simon gasps) 378 00:14:39,412 --> 00:14:39,913 Uh-huh. 379 00:14:39,979 --> 00:14:40,880 Uh-huh, it's true. 380 00:14:40,914 --> 00:14:41,948 It was really scary. 381 00:14:42,015 --> 00:14:43,950 (both laugh) 382 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:44,984 But he was, 383 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:47,487 He looked a lot like Errol Flynn. 384 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,022 He was very dashing. 385 00:14:49,055 --> 00:14:50,423 Very British. 386 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:52,359 He had short hair. 387 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:54,194 A cigarette, always. 388 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:55,895 He was just a little guy. 389 00:14:55,962 --> 00:14:56,896 Not very big. 390 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:58,832 But just like, 391 00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:00,734 he just, sort of, was always going. 392 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,335 He had a lot of energy. 393 00:15:02,369 --> 00:15:04,004 I'm in LA. 394 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:05,839 At this point, I'd lost my job 395 00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:08,775 because I was driving him around all the time. 396 00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:12,245 He had brought joy into my life. 397 00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:13,713 - Yeah. - That hadn't been, 398 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:16,349 a different kind of joy I'd never known. 399 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:20,420 And he had a going away party at Ciro's, 400 00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:21,621 which was hysterical. 401 00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:25,258 And we were up all night and there was beautiful music 402 00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:26,393 and people, 403 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:29,129 He was charging people to come to his going away party, 404 00:15:29,195 --> 00:15:31,031 (Bob laughs) that he'd invited. 405 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:34,834 And so, then we took him to the airport. 406 00:15:34,868 --> 00:15:36,136 His secretary at the time, 407 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:37,871 We drove him to the airport 408 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:42,275 and he said to me, go get me some cigarettes. 409 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:43,376 Go get me some, 410 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:44,678 I need some ciggies. 411 00:15:44,711 --> 00:15:45,945 So, I went down, 412 00:15:46,012 --> 00:15:48,281 'cause back then you didn't have security. 413 00:15:48,314 --> 00:15:50,850 Went down to buy these ciggies for him. 414 00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:52,352 A carton of cigarettes. 415 00:15:52,419 --> 00:15:55,655 And when I got up there, the plane was gone. 416 00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:57,090 And I was devastated 417 00:15:57,157 --> 00:15:59,359 because I didn't get to say goodbye to him. 418 00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:00,360 - Oh, my goodness. 419 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:03,663 - So, I went, but I've got his cigarettes. 420 00:16:03,697 --> 00:16:04,831 I was 20. 421 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:05,632 - [Bob] Yes. 422 00:16:05,699 --> 00:16:07,267 - So, I said to his secretary, 423 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:11,705 I'm going to San Francisco where his plane stops, 424 00:16:11,738 --> 00:16:13,106 makes a stop there. 425 00:16:13,173 --> 00:16:15,542 I'm going there to give him his cigarettes. 426 00:16:15,575 --> 00:16:16,810 And I did. 427 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:18,211 So, I borrowed her shoes 428 00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:19,279 because I had lost mine at the club. 429 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:20,480 I couldn't find them. (Bob laughs) 430 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:23,616 And I'm dressed in this fall and this crazy thing. 431 00:16:23,683 --> 00:16:24,551 Got in an airplane 432 00:16:24,617 --> 00:16:27,787 and showed up at the gate in San Francisco 433 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:29,823 and said, oh, you have to let me on. 434 00:16:29,889 --> 00:16:31,157 I have to get to my friend. 435 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:32,359 I've got his cigarettes. 436 00:16:32,392 --> 00:16:33,893 And they went, well, we can't do that. 437 00:16:33,927 --> 00:16:34,794 We're about to leave. 438 00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:35,762 And I went, 439 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:37,430 I started crying. 440 00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:39,065 So, they said, okay. 441 00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:41,768 So, I ran onto the plane and found Derek, 442 00:16:41,801 --> 00:16:43,036 and I went, here are your 443 00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:43,970 cigarettes. - Cigarettes. 444 00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:46,473 (Bob and Chris laugh) 445 00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:48,575 - Derek must have thought to himself, 446 00:16:49,943 --> 00:16:51,444 oh, my God, this woman, 447 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:54,614 I mean, she's chased me to San Francisco 448 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:57,083 to give me cigarettes. 449 00:16:57,150 --> 00:17:00,553 She must have some tenacity about her. 450 00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:01,521 - I don't know. - Um, 451 00:17:01,588 --> 00:17:04,524 do you think that that was part of his decision, 452 00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:06,393 in terms of getting you to London, 453 00:17:06,426 --> 00:17:09,896 knowing that you'd bring something special? 454 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:10,964 - I can only assume. 455 00:17:11,031 --> 00:17:13,266 Because he really did push it. 456 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:16,936 He called me when he was in New York with John and Paul, 457 00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:18,438 when they were doing the "Tonight Show" 458 00:17:18,505 --> 00:17:22,075 and said, you really should come to London. 459 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:23,710 I mean, this would be a really good time 460 00:17:23,777 --> 00:17:24,477 for you to come to Apple. 461 00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:26,146 I'm like, 462 00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:27,814 I don't think I can do that. 463 00:17:27,847 --> 00:17:30,116 I don't think I have the money. 464 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:33,086 But I was living with this aspiring actress 465 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:34,821 called Terry Garr. 466 00:17:34,854 --> 00:17:37,223 And she had been here to London 467 00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:40,160 and she said, you've got to go. 468 00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:42,328 So, if she hadn't pushed me, 469 00:17:42,362 --> 00:17:43,563 I don't know if I would've. 470 00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:44,764 She convinced me. 471 00:17:44,831 --> 00:17:46,166 - Derek was, 472 00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:47,867 even then, you sensed that he was 473 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,703 way, way ahead of his time. 474 00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:53,373 - Derek was totally responsible. 475 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,141 He changed the direction of my life. 476 00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:56,609 There's no doubt about it. 477 00:17:56,643 --> 00:17:59,546 I don't know where I would've ended up had I not met him 478 00:17:59,612 --> 00:18:02,716 and been offered the opportunities that he offered. 479 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:07,387 I was just this little girl in this little town 480 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:10,557 who ended up in London in 1968. 481 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,159 It's like, it could have been anyone. 482 00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:15,562 I was like way down in the lower levels 483 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:17,597 of the music business, at that time. 484 00:18:17,664 --> 00:18:21,067 But just through coincidence, ended up meeting Derek Taylor, 485 00:18:21,134 --> 00:18:23,770 who was kind of at the top. 486 00:18:23,837 --> 00:18:24,771 Tony, it's good to see you. 487 00:18:24,838 --> 00:18:27,073 - It's great to see you again, 488 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:28,308 Chris. - I know, 489 00:18:28,375 --> 00:18:30,477 Listen, I knew your father, 490 00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:31,344 Tommy. - Yep. 491 00:18:32,045 --> 00:18:32,412 Okay. 492 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,350 - [Chris] He was one of the most amazing photographers. 493 00:18:37,417 --> 00:18:39,619 He's one of the only photographers 494 00:18:39,652 --> 00:18:42,922 who really captured The Beatles right through 495 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:44,357 - Sure. - their whole time. 496 00:18:44,391 --> 00:18:46,860 I'd like you to talk about that a little bit. 497 00:18:46,926 --> 00:18:48,094 - Okay. 498 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:52,799 The 6th of September, 1963 was the first time 499 00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:55,602 that my dad went with a journalist, called Mike 500 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:55,969 to the Odeon Luton, 501 00:18:56,002 --> 00:18:56,403 Hennessey, 502 00:18:59,139 --> 00:19:01,174 to meet The Beatles in the changing room. 503 00:19:01,207 --> 00:19:03,510 My dad said to the four of them, 504 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,346 listen, when you come out of the changing room, 505 00:19:06,379 --> 00:19:08,848 can you just stop in this room here? 506 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:12,552 I'd like to get a shot of the four of you together. 507 00:19:12,619 --> 00:19:16,189 So, it became probably one of the most iconic images 508 00:19:16,222 --> 00:19:17,791 of the young Beatles. 509 00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:20,427 At that time, we called it the four tie shot, 510 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:21,995 'cause they all stood there. 511 00:19:22,028 --> 00:19:25,098 But then he worked with them up to '64 512 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:27,767 until the tour in America. 513 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:29,135 He'd been out to Paris. 514 00:19:29,202 --> 00:19:31,805 He'd been locked in the George Sank Hotel 515 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:34,741 for three days and nights because they couldn't get out. 516 00:19:34,808 --> 00:19:38,111 And then they asked him to go to the states 517 00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:39,479 for the tour in the states. 518 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:41,715 But his own personal experience 519 00:19:41,781 --> 00:19:45,085 of being locked in that hotel room with them 520 00:19:45,118 --> 00:19:48,221 and a few other people as well, was, 521 00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:51,558 he kinda said, very politely, thanks, but no thanks. 522 00:19:51,591 --> 00:19:54,494 And when I tell this story to different people, 523 00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:57,497 they kind of like, the jaw drops. 524 00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:01,001 'cause they say, he said no to The Beatles. 525 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:02,335 But he had his own reasons. 526 00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:06,439 And his ambition was to be a travel photographer. 527 00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:07,607 - [Chris] Look at this. 528 00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:09,209 Here we are again. 529 00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:10,710 George and I. 530 00:20:10,744 --> 00:20:12,812 Only a much better picture of my outfit. 531 00:20:12,846 --> 00:20:14,247 - [Tony] Absolutely. 532 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:15,615 Absolutely. 533 00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:18,318 - [Chris] Boy, we were so groovy back then. 534 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:21,354 - [Tony] In that photo of all of the group, 535 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:23,656 everybody is so trendily dressed 536 00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:28,561 in, what I think, was durry gur, at that time. 537 00:20:28,628 --> 00:20:31,297 Your outfit is pretty bang on. 538 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:34,234 It is, absolutely, spot on. 539 00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:35,201 Even the shoes. 540 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:36,236 - Oh look. 541 00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:37,470 I love those shoes. 542 00:20:37,537 --> 00:20:39,372 Not bad for a yank, huh? 543 00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:40,240 - Whoa, yeah. 544 00:20:40,273 --> 00:20:41,274 You know, - If you'd seen 545 00:20:41,307 --> 00:20:43,410 the way I arrived in this country, 546 00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:44,844 you would applaud me. 547 00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:48,748 Actually, I think at that time, Soho, Kings Row, 548 00:20:48,815 --> 00:20:50,183 - Yeah. - Biba, 549 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:51,317 - Yeah. - Mary Quant. 550 00:20:51,384 --> 00:20:52,786 - Yeah. - I mean, it, 551 00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:54,788 - 'Cause there's a lot of Mary Quant in that, 552 00:20:54,854 --> 00:20:55,388 - Yeah. - in my opinion. 553 00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:57,123 - [Chris] Well, it, 554 00:20:57,157 --> 00:20:58,358 This was London. 555 00:20:58,425 --> 00:20:59,225 - [Tony] Yeah, sure. 556 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,760 - [Chris] At this time. 557 00:21:00,794 --> 00:21:01,828 This was just London. 558 00:21:01,895 --> 00:21:04,330 You could just find so many cool things. 559 00:21:04,397 --> 00:21:06,166 It was that time in London 560 00:21:06,232 --> 00:21:09,469 when everything was, absolutely, booming. 561 00:21:09,502 --> 00:21:12,772 You had Vidal Sassoon on one corner, 562 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,574 Bibas on another, 563 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:17,110 Mary Quant on the Kings Road. 564 00:21:17,177 --> 00:21:20,780 It was just a fascinating time in London. 565 00:21:20,814 --> 00:21:23,283 Style was everything. 566 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:27,754 I think I had more flashbacks than anywhere else, 567 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:28,988 'cause the memories, 568 00:21:29,055 --> 00:21:32,258 those were my first months of working for The Beatles, 569 00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:36,062 so it was the most exciting period of time. 570 00:21:36,096 --> 00:21:38,098 - So, you arrive in London then. 571 00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:41,468 Where was it when you parachuted down into Apple? 572 00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:43,603 What were you experiencing around you? 573 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:45,939 - Well, it was at Wigmore Street. 574 00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:50,377 And so, they were in this one floor, in Wigmore Street, 575 00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:53,346 and all the offices were all there. 576 00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:54,647 I walked in that, 577 00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:56,282 I think the day I got there, 578 00:21:56,349 --> 00:21:59,119 John and Yoko were sitting in reception. 579 00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:01,588 And I was talking to Derek, 580 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:04,591 and Paul walked in and went into the room next door, 581 00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:08,128 which, at that point, was the Apple Boutique office. 582 00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:10,997 - [Simon] The first time you meet the guys in London, 583 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:12,832 what kind of impression do they make on you? 584 00:22:12,899 --> 00:22:14,734 Because, of course, you've seen them 585 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,736 as these little stick men, as you call it. 586 00:22:16,803 --> 00:22:18,672 - They're stick men. - The stick men. 587 00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:20,507 And then they're right in front of you. 588 00:22:20,573 --> 00:22:23,443 So, what does that feel like to actually meet them? 589 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:27,814 - Pretty difficult to express in words? 590 00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:29,149 So, the first time, 591 00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:31,818 well, the first day I was at Apple was, 592 00:22:31,885 --> 00:22:35,755 I met Paul and John in the first day that I was there. 593 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:39,225 I mean, they were just very friendly and very nice. 594 00:22:39,292 --> 00:22:40,126 Hi, how are you? 595 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:40,994 Nice to meet you. 596 00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:44,197 And I'm like, (laughs) 597 00:22:44,264 --> 00:22:46,700 I think I was, probably, paralyzed, 598 00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:47,367 to be honest. 599 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,836 - One by one, then, 600 00:22:49,903 --> 00:22:54,274 How did you begin to establish a relationship with them? 601 00:22:54,307 --> 00:22:55,575 They're Beatles, aren't they? 602 00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:58,712 So, there's quite a glass sea ceiling 603 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:01,114 or glass wall to break through, isn't there? 604 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:01,981 So, what would, 605 00:23:02,015 --> 00:23:03,083 What were your, 606 00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:05,952 You know, how did you go about that, winning their trust? 607 00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:06,753 And, 608 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:09,923 - John was there, kind of, around. 609 00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:11,524 George, I met with Derek. 610 00:23:11,591 --> 00:23:14,527 We went to lunch on like the third day I was here. 611 00:23:14,561 --> 00:23:18,331 And that was the day that the Apple Boutique opened. 612 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,567 And so, I met him like that. 613 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,702 Ringo was away doing a movie. 614 00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:23,737 I didn't meet, 615 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:25,305 I didn't meet him for quite a while. 616 00:23:25,338 --> 00:23:26,506 - And from that time onwards, 617 00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,708 did you feel very comfortable around him? 618 00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:32,545 And which ones did you feel, perhaps, 619 00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:35,281 initially, most attached to? 620 00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:36,182 - Um. 621 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:37,684 Paul. 622 00:23:37,751 --> 00:23:40,387 Because he was there every day. 623 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:42,255 But Paul was there and he was part of, 624 00:23:42,322 --> 00:23:44,457 He felt like part of the company. 625 00:23:44,524 --> 00:23:46,526 It was like he was working there too. 626 00:23:46,593 --> 00:23:48,428 He was easy to get to know. 627 00:23:48,495 --> 00:23:50,930 So, it was very comfortable being around him. 628 00:23:50,964 --> 00:23:53,333 He kept saying, are you looking for a job? 629 00:23:53,366 --> 00:23:55,902 'Cause I was just there. 630 00:23:55,969 --> 00:23:56,836 There was no glamour. 631 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:58,838 It was just, this is the offices. 632 00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:00,006 And there were a few Beatles running around. 633 00:24:00,073 --> 00:24:02,976 (Chris and Bob laugh) 634 00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:08,114 - And subsequently, demonstrated your incredible ability 635 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,919 as an overseer, an organizer. 636 00:24:12,986 --> 00:24:13,787 Somebody to, sort of, 637 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:16,523 put that chaos into some sort of order. 638 00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:17,757 - I hope so. 639 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,125 I think that 640 00:24:19,192 --> 00:24:19,759 What would, 641 00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:21,594 You know, it's what it was 642 00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:24,798 is that I came in with the American work ethic. 643 00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:27,334 And not to put down the British work ethic, 644 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,102 but it was different back then. 645 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:33,840 I mean, you know, the example of that is that 646 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:36,209 when I said I need something right away, 647 00:24:36,242 --> 00:24:37,410 that meant tomorrow. 648 00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:39,412 Here, it meant next week. 649 00:24:39,479 --> 00:24:40,880 And I'd go, what? 650 00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:42,615 You can't get it sooner than that? 651 00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:44,017 I can't believe it. 652 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:47,654 So, I would push through barriers that were there. 653 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:49,889 It was a tough one to do though, 654 00:24:49,956 --> 00:24:52,258 because some of the other girls that worked at Apple 655 00:24:52,292 --> 00:24:53,760 had been there for quite a while 656 00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:55,395 and they weren't exactly thrilled 657 00:24:55,428 --> 00:24:57,964 about this American who came, 658 00:24:57,997 --> 00:25:01,634 you know, bouncing in and would do anything. 659 00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:04,004 I mean, the reason I got the job was lunches. 660 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:06,373 I'd go out and get lunches for them. 661 00:25:06,439 --> 00:25:07,907 But they were going to the deli 662 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:09,909 and I would go to the restaurants 663 00:25:09,943 --> 00:25:13,013 and ask them to cook up the food and let me have the China 664 00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:15,482 and I'd bring them back in these baskets. 665 00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:16,416 - [Bob] Yes. 666 00:25:16,449 --> 00:25:18,284 - And that's how I got, 667 00:25:18,318 --> 00:25:19,786 finally, got the job. 668 00:25:19,853 --> 00:25:22,389 - And I mean, that's amazing initiative, isn't it? 669 00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:23,423 - Yeah. 670 00:25:23,456 --> 00:25:24,224 You just gotta do anything, huh? 671 00:25:24,257 --> 00:25:26,059 - I know. 672 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:30,330 - Derek Taylor wrote in his book "As Time Goes By", 673 00:25:30,397 --> 00:25:31,731 that he never hated anyone 674 00:25:31,765 --> 00:25:34,534 as much as he hated Paul McCartney in 1968. 675 00:25:34,601 --> 00:25:36,036 - [Chris] Oh. 676 00:25:36,069 --> 00:25:37,537 - And this is a letter. 677 00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:41,241 We probably don't want a press department, do we? 678 00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:44,444 And it's a picture of journalists 679 00:25:44,477 --> 00:25:46,146 and the like, heavily drinking. 680 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:47,247 - Oh, my gosh. 681 00:25:47,347 --> 00:25:48,214 That's amazing. 682 00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,449 Strike out. 683 00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:51,151 We're not applicable. 684 00:25:51,184 --> 00:25:52,185 - [Mark] Yeah. 685 00:25:52,252 --> 00:25:53,286 - And type, - And not signed. 686 00:25:53,353 --> 00:25:54,354 - No. 687 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,023 Note taken and typed by Jolly Minor. 688 00:25:57,057 --> 00:25:57,157 - [Mark] Mm. 689 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:57,223 MBE. 690 00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:00,160 I mean, it's a beautiful construction. 691 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:00,894 Paul's - That' 692 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,961 - [Mark] such a clever artist. 693 00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:03,563 - [Chris] Quite an amazing thing. 694 00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:05,365 - [Mark] But imagine if you were receiving that 695 00:26:05,465 --> 00:26:07,901 from your boss, who's paying your wages. 696 00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:09,903 - [Chris] Did he send this to Derek 697 00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:11,237 - [Mark] Yeah. 698 00:26:11,304 --> 00:26:13,707 - Well, it is well known, 699 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:15,575 and was certainly well known, at that time, 700 00:26:15,642 --> 00:26:17,544 that Derek's, 701 00:26:17,577 --> 00:26:20,213 Derek and George had the closest relationship 702 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,948 - Yeah. - of really, 703 00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:25,151 anybody that I knew, at that point. 704 00:26:25,218 --> 00:26:28,355 And I never really knew whether he and Paul 705 00:26:28,388 --> 00:26:29,923 had much of a relationship anyway. 706 00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:30,423 I don't know. 707 00:26:30,457 --> 00:26:31,825 - [Mark] They did. 708 00:26:31,891 --> 00:26:35,362 But it was strained compared to how it was with John and, 709 00:26:35,395 --> 00:26:36,730 - Apparently. (laughs) 710 00:26:36,763 --> 00:26:38,331 - [Mark] With John and with George, in particular. 711 00:26:38,398 --> 00:26:39,599 Yeah. 712 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:41,901 When was the first time that you met George? 713 00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:46,039 - The first time I met him, he came into London, 714 00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:47,741 into Wigmore Street. 715 00:26:47,807 --> 00:26:50,677 Derek had said, would you like to go to lunch today? 716 00:26:50,744 --> 00:26:52,445 And so, I was in his office. 717 00:26:52,512 --> 00:26:55,248 And then George pranced in. 718 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:57,183 And, literally, George float, 719 00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:59,219 He had a floating walk to him. 720 00:26:59,252 --> 00:27:01,488 Derek introduced us. 721 00:27:01,521 --> 00:27:05,158 And so, we went to the Aretusa 722 00:27:06,526 --> 00:27:07,894 on Kings Road 723 00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:11,197 and there were people sitting there having lunch. 724 00:27:11,231 --> 00:27:12,732 It looked normal. 725 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:15,435 Here I was on the Kings Road in London 726 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:19,606 with this cape and short skirt I bought in Hollywood 727 00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:22,709 that was like blue and orange checkered. 728 00:27:22,776 --> 00:27:23,710 (Mark laughs) I mean, 729 00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:27,647 I just thought, oh, god, I look so wrong. 730 00:27:27,681 --> 00:27:31,184 Anyway, we swept in there and sat down at a seat 731 00:27:31,251 --> 00:27:34,487 and George sat on the other side of the table. 732 00:27:34,521 --> 00:27:36,489 And you know, once we had a little wine, 733 00:27:36,556 --> 00:27:38,091 I felt a little more comfortable. 734 00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:41,127 But I also didn't have to say anything. 735 00:27:41,161 --> 00:27:42,962 You know, I had to look like, (laughs) 736 00:27:42,996 --> 00:27:45,231 and respond appropriately. 737 00:27:45,298 --> 00:27:46,800 But no, I didn't have to like, 738 00:27:47,801 --> 00:27:49,469 What would I have said, at that point? 739 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:54,074 And then the waiters started moving all kinds of tables. 740 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:57,610 And I'm like, looking at Derek, like, what's going on here? 741 00:27:57,677 --> 00:28:01,348 And Derek said, oh, did I forget to tell you? 742 00:28:01,381 --> 00:28:04,851 The Apple Boutique fashion show is happening now, 743 00:28:04,884 --> 00:28:06,286 here, in the same place. 744 00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:07,220 - [Mark] Right. 745 00:28:07,287 --> 00:28:09,723 - Since George was there and Derek was there, 746 00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:12,659 then John and Yoko came and sat down. 747 00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:15,462 And then Pattie came in and sat down. 748 00:28:15,495 --> 00:28:17,364 And the press were all around 749 00:28:17,397 --> 00:28:21,868 because it was the first time they'd seen John and Yoko out. 750 00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:27,574 And so, of course they were really snapping away like crazy. 751 00:28:27,607 --> 00:28:30,777 And I'm sitting there going, 752 00:28:30,844 --> 00:28:31,845 what am I doing here? (laughs) 753 00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:34,047 I've been here four days 754 00:28:34,114 --> 00:28:35,715 and I'm sitting at this table. 755 00:28:35,782 --> 00:28:37,751 You know, I looked at Yoko, at one point, 756 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:40,920 and said, you're doing great. 757 00:28:40,987 --> 00:28:42,889 (Mark laughs) And then, 758 00:28:42,922 --> 00:28:46,092 And then Pattie came and sat down. 759 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,128 And I thought, well, she looks nicer. 760 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:50,764 And I was like, maybe I could talk to her. 761 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:52,966 So, at the right time, I reached across 762 00:28:53,033 --> 00:28:55,635 and said, hi, I'm Chris. 763 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:57,237 I just came from America. 764 00:28:57,270 --> 00:28:58,705 I'm a friend of Derek's. 765 00:28:58,738 --> 00:29:01,341 Would you show me how to do my makeup sometime? 766 00:29:01,408 --> 00:29:02,375 And she went, 767 00:29:04,077 --> 00:29:05,078 yeah. 768 00:29:05,145 --> 00:29:05,478 Yeah. 769 00:29:05,512 --> 00:29:06,913 Okay. (laughs) 770 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:09,749 You know, totally caught off guard. 771 00:29:09,816 --> 00:29:12,185 But in my mind I thought, oh, 772 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,621 I'm gonna end up being best friends with her. 773 00:29:14,654 --> 00:29:15,555 What did you think? 774 00:29:15,622 --> 00:29:16,923 - I was just so blown away. 775 00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:18,758 I couldn't believe you were, actually, asking me that. 776 00:29:18,792 --> 00:29:19,826 (Chris laughs) 777 00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:23,797 It seemed like such an odd request, 778 00:29:23,863 --> 00:29:27,500 at like a dinner, with all the press there listening. 779 00:29:27,567 --> 00:29:28,535 And you want, 780 00:29:28,568 --> 00:29:30,303 you want to learn about makeup? 781 00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:31,504 - [Chris] I know. 782 00:29:31,571 --> 00:29:34,574 - [Pattie] And then I thought, oh, how sweet that is. 783 00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:36,976 - Aw. - Maybe I should help you. 784 00:29:37,043 --> 00:29:39,346 - And then some years later, 785 00:29:39,412 --> 00:29:41,715 you said to me, oh, I like your makeup. 786 00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:42,782 How do you do it? 787 00:29:42,849 --> 00:29:43,750 And I went, oh. 788 00:29:43,817 --> 00:29:44,651 That's good. 789 00:29:44,684 --> 00:29:45,785 This is full circle. 790 00:29:45,852 --> 00:29:48,788 - [Simon] Your background's in photography 791 00:29:48,822 --> 00:29:49,856 and you're, 792 00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:52,425 I mean, I love your photographic work 793 00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:54,894 and then you've got beautiful eye for it. 794 00:29:54,928 --> 00:29:56,763 You know, the other one's nice, as well. 795 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:57,263 But 796 00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:59,132 (Pattie laughs) 797 00:29:59,165 --> 00:30:00,500 - Can I just tell you something, darling? 798 00:30:00,533 --> 00:30:01,735 - Please. 799 00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:02,869 - Only 'cause it's funny. 800 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,105 (Chris laughs) I only like funny stories. 801 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:08,908 So, you know, I'd have my rolls of film 802 00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:10,577 developed every evening 803 00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:12,312 and then I'd pick them up the next day. 804 00:30:12,379 --> 00:30:15,281 Contact sheets and Ringo, said, um, 805 00:30:15,315 --> 00:30:18,985 Pattie, there's something I have to tell you. 806 00:30:19,052 --> 00:30:19,886 Yes. 807 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:20,954 Well, the photographs are very nice, 808 00:30:21,021 --> 00:30:22,756 but they're a bit, sort of, fuzzy. 809 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:25,025 They're not really in focus. 810 00:30:25,058 --> 00:30:27,527 And, of course, I didn't know then, 811 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,195 I'm shortsighted. 812 00:30:29,262 --> 00:30:33,466 And this is before auto focus, right? 813 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,569 So, I'm focusing with my bad, short eye. 814 00:30:36,636 --> 00:30:37,570 Right. 815 00:30:37,637 --> 00:30:38,371 So, for me, (Chris laughs) 816 00:30:38,438 --> 00:30:40,306 looking through the lens, 817 00:30:40,373 --> 00:30:41,441 of course it was sharp, 818 00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:42,275 but of course it wasn't. 819 00:30:42,375 --> 00:30:43,576 'cause you know. 820 00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:45,078 - That's hysterical. 821 00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:46,846 Never would wear your glasses. 822 00:30:46,913 --> 00:30:48,782 - [Pattie] I didn't know I was shortsighted. 823 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,084 Life was lovely and fuzzy. 824 00:30:51,117 --> 00:30:53,153 - When did you start taking photographs? 825 00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:55,555 - Oh, many years before I met George. 826 00:30:55,622 --> 00:30:56,756 - Really? - Yeah. 827 00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:58,591 'cause when I was a model, 828 00:30:58,625 --> 00:30:59,426 fashion model, 829 00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:00,827 I was, 830 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:03,263 I worked with hundreds of photographers. 831 00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:06,366 And my boyfriend, at the time, was a photographer. 832 00:31:06,433 --> 00:31:11,004 And he encouraged me to save up my money and buy a camera. 833 00:31:11,071 --> 00:31:14,107 I remember Derek finding some guy, who needed a job, 834 00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:17,477 and Derek said, I want you to come into my office 835 00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:20,313 and sit on top of the, 836 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:22,882 - Filing cabinet. - filing cabinet. 837 00:31:22,949 --> 00:31:25,318 And this guy, I just thought, oh, perfect. 838 00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:26,753 He sat up there all day. (Chris laughs) 839 00:31:26,786 --> 00:31:28,855 - I remember him very well. 840 00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:29,956 - [Pattie] What on earth was he doing? 841 00:31:30,023 --> 00:31:31,324 - I can't remember his name. 842 00:31:31,391 --> 00:31:32,926 He was high. 843 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,228 He would take acid and come in 844 00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:37,931 and just sit on the filing cabinet. 845 00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,733 Someone asked me once, 846 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,403 were those times all about sex, drugs, and rock and roll? 847 00:31:44,838 --> 00:31:46,172 (upbeat music) 848 00:31:46,239 --> 00:31:48,141 - [Female Narrator] Books could be censored. 849 00:31:48,208 --> 00:31:51,644 But now something came along that was much harder to stop. 850 00:31:51,711 --> 00:31:54,314 Something that millions of young people would seize 851 00:31:54,381 --> 00:31:56,916 and use as a means to further separate themselves 852 00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:58,885 from adult society. 853 00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:02,555 * Line on the beam set on light control * 854 00:32:02,622 --> 00:32:05,825 * Radio tuned to rock and roll * 855 00:32:05,892 --> 00:32:09,429 - Availability of the pill was suddenly there. 856 00:32:09,496 --> 00:32:13,199 Sex became a way of getting to know each other. 857 00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:15,468 - A lot's changed since 1967. 858 00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:16,636 - No doubt, love. 859 00:32:16,703 --> 00:32:19,072 But as long as people are still having promiscuous sex 860 00:32:19,105 --> 00:32:21,841 with many anonymous partners without protection, 861 00:32:21,875 --> 00:32:23,043 while at the same time, 862 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:25,845 experimenting with mind expanding drugs 863 00:32:25,879 --> 00:32:28,148 in a consequence free environment, 864 00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:29,749 I'll be sound is a pound. 865 00:32:29,816 --> 00:32:32,118 - Pioneers and Americans. 866 00:32:33,153 --> 00:32:34,554 - What is it you're pioneering? 867 00:32:34,621 --> 00:32:35,855 What you wanted to say? 868 00:32:35,889 --> 00:32:37,190 - [Fifi] The sexual revolution. 869 00:32:37,223 --> 00:32:39,592 - [Simon] Looking back, do you think men took advantage 870 00:32:39,659 --> 00:32:42,796 of a very different morality regarding sexuality back then? 871 00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:46,499 Or do you think they just had to play a game to get on? 872 00:32:46,566 --> 00:32:48,401 - [Chris] I never, 873 00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:50,503 I've been wondering about this myself. 874 00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:54,240 I don't really think that the men did that. 875 00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:56,910 I think the women loved the music. 876 00:32:56,976 --> 00:32:58,244 They loved the musicians. 877 00:32:58,311 --> 00:33:00,513 They were mostly men, musicians. 878 00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:02,382 So, I think that the women 879 00:33:02,449 --> 00:33:05,785 were feeling a freedom they hadn't had before. 880 00:33:05,852 --> 00:33:10,156 I, definitely, don't put the weight on the men's shoulders 881 00:33:10,223 --> 00:33:12,158 because I don't think they were taking advantage of it. 882 00:33:12,225 --> 00:33:15,328 I mean, the girls who wanted to be with them 883 00:33:15,362 --> 00:33:17,530 and have sex with them for the night, 884 00:33:17,597 --> 00:33:18,898 they wanted them to do it. 885 00:33:18,932 --> 00:33:20,667 So, I don't really think 886 00:33:20,734 --> 00:33:24,404 that the men should get blamed on this one. 887 00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:26,773 - Here's a flashback that no one really expected. 888 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,310 Imagine your mother on an acid trip. 889 00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:32,879 - A curtain, a spider web. 890 00:33:32,946 --> 00:33:33,947 Can you see it? 891 00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:36,983 It's right here in front of me right now. 892 00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:37,784 Watch. 893 00:33:37,817 --> 00:33:39,252 It passed right through. 894 00:33:39,285 --> 00:33:41,021 - Together you had this gigantic influence 895 00:33:41,054 --> 00:33:42,188 on the young people. 896 00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:43,323 Right? 897 00:33:44,224 --> 00:33:45,091 And everybody knows that The Beatles 898 00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:46,693 went through a drug phase. 899 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,161 Did it ever occur to you, 900 00:33:48,228 --> 00:33:49,529 or did you ever stop thinking of it this way, 901 00:33:49,596 --> 00:33:51,464 that the fact that this was known, 902 00:33:51,531 --> 00:33:53,299 and the fact that you were The Beatles, 903 00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:57,237 might have caused thousands of kids to go into drug problems 904 00:33:57,303 --> 00:33:59,239 that might not have otherwise? 905 00:33:59,305 --> 00:34:00,674 - Uh. 906 00:34:01,574 --> 00:34:02,242 Well, 907 00:34:02,308 --> 00:34:03,243 No, no. 908 00:34:03,276 --> 00:34:04,444 Let him ask the question. - Shut up, will ya? 909 00:34:04,511 --> 00:34:06,146 - Let him ask the question. (audience laughs) 910 00:34:06,179 --> 00:34:06,946 - [Simon] Do you feel yourself being, 911 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,249 sort of, pulled into that world? 912 00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:11,217 Or was there a point where you thought, (gasps) 913 00:34:11,284 --> 00:34:14,087 this is starting to get a bit overwhelming? 914 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,221 - Drugs were available. 915 00:34:15,255 --> 00:34:16,122 I mean, they were there. 916 00:34:16,189 --> 00:34:17,290 And they weren't just drugs. 917 00:34:17,357 --> 00:34:20,326 They were really good drugs. (laughs) 918 00:34:20,393 --> 00:34:22,796 For example, the first time I ever had the feeling 919 00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:24,330 that maybe I was overdoing it 920 00:34:24,397 --> 00:34:28,601 was when I was at Apple on Wigmore Street. 921 00:34:30,503 --> 00:34:32,205 - Oh, my god. - How does this feel like? 922 00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:33,540 Home from home? 923 00:34:33,606 --> 00:34:35,542 - This is like, 924 00:34:35,575 --> 00:34:37,277 This is really home. 925 00:34:37,344 --> 00:34:38,611 - Look. - This is really home. 926 00:34:38,678 --> 00:34:40,080 - On the 95. 927 00:34:40,113 --> 00:34:42,115 - 95 Wigmore Street. 928 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:43,883 The beginning. 929 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:47,620 There was a point where I called Leslie Cavendish and said, 930 00:34:47,687 --> 00:34:48,888 I'm overdoing it. 931 00:34:48,955 --> 00:34:49,723 I can tell. 932 00:34:49,756 --> 00:34:52,025 I'm starting to get paranoid. 933 00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:53,393 - What was it, the second, third floor? 934 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:54,294 Something like that up there. 935 00:34:54,361 --> 00:34:55,161 - Yeah. 936 00:34:55,228 --> 00:34:56,029 Up third. - But you were sitting there. 937 00:34:56,096 --> 00:34:57,097 Very pretty. 938 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:58,598 Blonde girl. 939 00:34:58,631 --> 00:34:59,632 A nice little accent. 940 00:34:59,666 --> 00:35:02,068 - [Chris] Leslie Cavendish, he was so gorgeous. 941 00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:04,104 He was just this handsome guy. 942 00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:06,606 So, naturally I was attracted to him 943 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,075 and we started talking. 944 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:11,878 And he told me that he was the hairdresser. 945 00:35:11,911 --> 00:35:13,747 He did cut their hair. 946 00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:16,449 And he was gonna be, eventually, 947 00:35:16,516 --> 00:35:18,184 I don't know if he knew it at that time, 948 00:35:18,251 --> 00:35:22,055 but eventually, would have the Apple hair cutting salon 949 00:35:22,088 --> 00:35:25,125 in the Apple Boutique on Kings Road. 950 00:35:25,191 --> 00:35:27,193 - She had the severe haircut. 951 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,295 You had this five point cut. 952 00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:31,131 I think she needed somewhere to stay 953 00:35:31,197 --> 00:35:33,333 and somebody asked me if I would put her up. 954 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,734 That was over 50 years ago. 955 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:36,403 We've been great friends since. 956 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:37,937 - [Simon] You were living just off the Kings Road. 957 00:35:37,971 --> 00:35:39,639 - Yeah, Chelsea Manor Street. - So, 958 00:35:39,673 --> 00:35:40,473 on Chelsea Manor Street? 959 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:41,608 - [Leslie] Yeah. 960 00:35:41,675 --> 00:35:43,677 - [Simon] What do you think her first impression 961 00:35:43,743 --> 00:35:44,978 of being in that area was? 962 00:35:45,011 --> 00:35:46,046 - Well, I, 963 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:46,913 You know, let's put it this way. 964 00:35:46,946 --> 00:35:48,281 She's come to London. 965 00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:51,484 She's obviously met a Beatle or two, within 24 hours. 966 00:35:51,518 --> 00:35:54,754 She's now moved into a flat in Chelsea. 967 00:35:54,821 --> 00:35:56,056 That's not a bad opening, is it? 968 00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:57,557 How would you imagine, 969 00:35:57,624 --> 00:36:00,760 you know, a lot of people work hard to get all that. 970 00:36:00,827 --> 00:36:01,594 The nice thing about her 971 00:36:01,628 --> 00:36:03,963 was that she was so easy to talk to. 972 00:36:03,997 --> 00:36:07,133 You know, she was that laid back lady 973 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,437 from LA or Tucson, Arizona. 974 00:36:10,503 --> 00:36:15,008 Remember you told me you got on a plane from LA. 975 00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:17,911 You've ended up in the middle of London 95 Wigmore Street. 976 00:36:17,977 --> 00:36:19,112 Did you know? 977 00:36:19,212 --> 00:36:22,115 Did you know what was gonna happen here? 978 00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:23,249 - No, not at all. 979 00:36:23,316 --> 00:36:24,317 How could I have? 980 00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:26,052 I loved Wigmore Street. 981 00:36:26,086 --> 00:36:27,287 It was the part, 982 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,823 It's the place I have the fondest memories of 983 00:36:29,856 --> 00:36:32,058 because we were all on one floor 984 00:36:32,125 --> 00:36:33,093 and it was just 985 00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:34,394 so like family. (camera clicks) 986 00:36:34,461 --> 00:36:36,029 Everybody was just there. 987 00:36:36,062 --> 00:36:38,431 It was just pointed out to me, recently, 988 00:36:38,465 --> 00:36:41,634 that there was only a four year time span 989 00:36:41,701 --> 00:36:45,171 between the time that The Beatles were on Ed Sullivan 990 00:36:45,238 --> 00:36:48,441 and when I went to London to work for them. 991 00:36:48,508 --> 00:36:50,110 To me, at that age, it seemed like 992 00:36:50,143 --> 00:36:51,978 it was about a hundred years. 993 00:36:52,012 --> 00:36:53,680 It didn't seem that short a time. 994 00:36:53,747 --> 00:36:56,049 And I just wanted to go to Liverpool. 995 00:36:56,116 --> 00:36:57,851 The idea of actually meeting them, 996 00:36:57,884 --> 00:37:00,086 that was pretty much fantasy. 997 00:37:00,153 --> 00:37:03,623 During the trip, we took a train to Penzance. 998 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:05,892 I was excited about meeting Natalie, 999 00:37:05,959 --> 00:37:09,195 whose mother was Debbie, the Apple receptionist. 1000 00:37:09,295 --> 00:37:12,766 I was also very excited to meet another generation 1001 00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:16,002 and see how much she knew and what she remembered. 1002 00:37:16,036 --> 00:37:17,203 Because I already knew 1003 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:20,540 that Debbie had passed away several years before. 1004 00:37:20,573 --> 00:37:22,409 - They're absolutely beautiful. 1005 00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:24,310 - I really must come back. 1006 00:37:24,377 --> 00:37:25,679 - You've gotta come back. 1007 00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:27,247 - [Simon] It's called the Jurassic Coast, isn't it? 1008 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,648 - No, that's Devon. 1009 00:37:28,715 --> 00:37:30,250 - [Simon] It's not called the Jurassic Coast. 1010 00:37:30,283 --> 00:37:31,117 (Natalie laughs) 1011 00:37:31,151 --> 00:37:34,387 (Chris laughs) 1012 00:37:34,454 --> 00:37:36,990 - [Simon] I'm just gonna turn that down a little bit. 1013 00:37:37,057 --> 00:37:38,725 - He never gets to turn that on. 1014 00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:40,126 (Natalie laughs) 1015 00:37:40,193 --> 00:37:41,227 - [Simon] Yeah, I never turn on. 1016 00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:42,696 - We just do this. 1017 00:37:42,729 --> 00:37:45,832 - [Simon] We just go from place to place pretending to film. 1018 00:37:45,899 --> 00:37:46,933 - But we're not really 1019 00:37:46,966 --> 00:37:48,201 doing anything. (Natalie laughs) 1020 00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,769 First of all, everyone was real young. 1021 00:37:49,836 --> 00:37:50,804 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1022 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:51,604 - [Chris] Your mom was 19 1023 00:37:51,671 --> 00:37:53,039 - [Natalie] 18, 19, I think. 1024 00:37:53,073 --> 00:37:54,140 - 18, 19. - Yeah. 1025 00:37:54,174 --> 00:37:56,076 - I was, um, 1026 00:37:56,142 --> 00:37:57,744 - Which is crazy. - 20, 21. 1027 00:37:57,811 --> 00:37:58,678 - Yeah. 1028 00:37:58,745 --> 00:38:00,547 - The Beatles were only in their twenties. 1029 00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:03,383 I mean, we were all really young. 1030 00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:05,518 My memory, when I think of your mom, 1031 00:38:05,552 --> 00:38:08,755 first of all, she was the face of Apple. 1032 00:38:08,788 --> 00:38:11,791 You walked in the door into reception 1033 00:38:11,858 --> 00:38:13,193 and there she was. 1034 00:38:13,226 --> 00:38:13,993 - Yeah. - Sitting 1035 00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:15,061 right in front of the door. 1036 00:38:15,095 --> 00:38:17,163 Let's say this out loud. 1037 00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:19,432 Your mom was very beautiful. 1038 00:38:19,499 --> 00:38:20,633 - She was gorgeous. - She was 1039 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,202 absolutely gorgeous. - She was. 1040 00:38:22,235 --> 00:38:23,470 - [Chris] Great figure. 1041 00:38:23,503 --> 00:38:24,404 - [Natalie] Oh, my god. 1042 00:38:24,771 --> 00:38:24,904 Yeah. 1043 00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:26,439 Amazing. 1044 00:38:26,473 --> 00:38:29,309 - When you think that John Lennon's office was on, 1045 00:38:29,342 --> 00:38:30,343 right off reception. 1046 00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:31,544 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1047 00:38:31,578 --> 00:38:33,780 - Everybody else was stuck up in the (laughs) 1048 00:38:33,847 --> 00:38:34,614 - Well, 1049 00:38:34,647 --> 00:38:35,615 But it's, 1050 00:38:35,682 --> 00:38:37,684 You know, not only did he get the prime spot, 1051 00:38:37,717 --> 00:38:39,386 like, street level, straight to the car, 1052 00:38:39,452 --> 00:38:40,720 like, no messing. 1053 00:38:40,754 --> 00:38:44,090 But I think it's telling that they put the mirror in. 1054 00:38:44,157 --> 00:38:45,258 He wanted to know. 1055 00:38:45,291 --> 00:38:47,093 He wanted his finger on the pulse of everything 1056 00:38:47,127 --> 00:38:48,361 that was going on in his place. 1057 00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:49,929 - Right. - He wanted to know 1058 00:38:49,963 --> 00:38:50,864 what was happening. 1059 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,399 That's the feeling I get. 1060 00:38:52,465 --> 00:38:53,600 I went back there when I, 1061 00:38:53,667 --> 00:38:56,536 when we went to the roof gig anniversary thing. 1062 00:38:56,603 --> 00:38:58,672 And we walked down there. 1063 00:38:58,705 --> 00:39:01,474 And I suppose because of the architecture 1064 00:39:01,541 --> 00:39:04,544 and because of the nature of the actual buildings, 1065 00:39:04,577 --> 00:39:06,479 it probably hasn't changed very much. 1066 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:08,114 The shop fronts 1067 00:39:08,181 --> 00:39:10,350 but itself, it must look just the same. 1068 00:39:10,383 --> 00:39:11,251 - [Chris] It looks the same. 1069 00:39:11,317 --> 00:39:12,452 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1070 00:39:12,485 --> 00:39:14,120 - [Chris] The door, it used to be white. 1071 00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:15,021 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1072 00:39:15,088 --> 00:39:15,955 - Where it's a different, 1073 00:39:16,022 --> 00:39:17,624 it's a darker color now. 1074 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:19,659 But I remember like thinking, god, 1075 00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:21,528 everything looks so small. 1076 00:39:21,594 --> 00:39:22,696 - Yeah. - You know, 1077 00:39:22,729 --> 00:39:25,699 in the memory, it all seems so big. 1078 00:39:25,765 --> 00:39:26,366 - [Natalie] Wow. 1079 00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:27,267 You were young. 1080 00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:28,968 - We were young. - You were so, 1081 00:39:29,002 --> 00:39:29,569 I can't believe, 1082 00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:31,471 You know, when I think now, 1083 00:39:31,504 --> 00:39:35,542 like, how I was at 17, 18 to 21, whatever. 1084 00:39:35,608 --> 00:39:38,011 Like, you know, you think you're a grownup, 1085 00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:39,679 but you are still a kid, really. 1086 00:39:39,713 --> 00:39:41,014 You're still really young. 1087 00:39:41,081 --> 00:39:41,948 So much to learn. 1088 00:39:42,015 --> 00:39:45,352 And you guys were, you know, 1089 00:39:45,418 --> 00:39:46,753 running and working at 1090 00:39:46,786 --> 00:39:49,222 and being part of this incredible thing. 1091 00:39:49,289 --> 00:39:50,523 - Amazing, isn't it? - It's crazy. 1092 00:39:50,557 --> 00:39:51,224 - [Chris] Yeah. 1093 00:39:51,291 --> 00:39:52,525 I have to tell you. 1094 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,994 Sitting here talking to you is like talking to your mom. 1095 00:39:55,061 --> 00:39:56,629 - [Natalie] Aw. 1096 00:39:56,696 --> 00:40:00,700 - And it's not even because you look, amazingly, like her. 1097 00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:01,634 - Thank you. 1098 00:40:01,701 --> 00:40:03,303 - It's also because you're the same. 1099 00:40:03,336 --> 00:40:05,438 You're that happy, cheery person 1100 00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:07,674 that she always was. - Aw. 1101 00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:08,908 Thanks, that's - That's true. 1102 00:40:08,975 --> 00:40:09,275 - really special. 1103 00:40:09,342 --> 00:40:10,677 - Yeah. 1104 00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:13,013 - I promised myself I'm not gonna cry today. (laughs) 1105 00:40:13,046 --> 00:40:13,880 - You can cry. 1106 00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:14,547 You can cry. 1107 00:40:14,581 --> 00:40:15,582 We can both cry. 1108 00:40:15,648 --> 00:40:16,483 - It just really, 1109 00:40:16,549 --> 00:40:17,984 It's really special to be able 1110 00:40:18,051 --> 00:40:19,185 to meet someone that knew her, 1111 00:40:19,219 --> 00:40:20,620 - Aw. - although years ago 1112 00:40:20,653 --> 00:40:22,989 and can, you know, tell me what it was like. 1113 00:40:23,056 --> 00:40:24,090 She used to tell me stories, 1114 00:40:24,124 --> 00:40:27,594 but, you know, probably not as many as you've got. 1115 00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:30,530 She was quite, kind of, private about it all, really. 1116 00:40:30,563 --> 00:40:32,699 She would just be like, oh, it was just a job. 1117 00:40:32,766 --> 00:40:35,301 There was a year where there was a Christmas party 1118 00:40:35,368 --> 00:40:36,703 (Chris laughs) and, 1119 00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:38,338 Well, I'm sure there were many Christmas parties, 1120 00:40:38,405 --> 00:40:40,840 but one where people took their kids 1121 00:40:40,874 --> 00:40:43,510 and John dressed up as Santa and gave out presents. 1122 00:40:43,576 --> 00:40:44,878 - [Chris] That would also be 1123 00:40:44,911 --> 00:40:46,579 when the Hell's Angels were there. 1124 00:40:46,613 --> 00:40:47,380 - Okay. - Yes. 1125 00:40:47,447 --> 00:40:48,415 - [Natalie] She did mention 1126 00:40:48,481 --> 00:40:49,716 those guys, as well. - Yes, yes. 1127 00:40:49,783 --> 00:40:52,252 - My uncle got given this shiny red firetruck 1128 00:40:52,318 --> 00:40:54,487 that he absolutely loved. 1129 00:40:54,554 --> 00:40:56,723 And once all the presents had been given out, 1130 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,426 he looked over and saw that Julian didn't get one. 1131 00:40:59,492 --> 00:41:02,462 There weren't quite enough presents. 1132 00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:06,032 So, he ran over and gave his present to Julian. 1133 00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:07,434 And my uncle remembers this. 1134 00:41:07,467 --> 00:41:09,269 It's like one of his earliest memories. 1135 00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:11,438 - [Chris] That is so sweet. 1136 00:41:11,471 --> 00:41:14,107 - I don't think it really landed with him 1137 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:15,942 until he was a little bit older 1138 00:41:16,009 --> 00:41:19,145 that Santa Claus was John Lennon. (laughs) 1139 00:41:19,212 --> 00:41:20,080 - Yeah. - Like I think 1140 00:41:20,113 --> 00:41:20,914 that probably like, 1141 00:41:20,947 --> 00:41:22,682 when he became like a young adult, 1142 00:41:22,749 --> 00:41:24,584 he would've been like, uh, 1143 00:41:24,617 --> 00:41:26,086 - Well, yeah. - I got given it. (laughs) 1144 00:41:26,152 --> 00:41:27,654 - I got given my gift by Santa. 1145 00:41:27,721 --> 00:41:29,089 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1146 00:41:29,155 --> 00:41:31,958 - That, actually, is also when one of the Hell's Angels, 1147 00:41:31,991 --> 00:41:33,159 that same night, 1148 00:41:33,226 --> 00:41:35,362 So, you got the kids down here 1149 00:41:35,428 --> 00:41:37,464 and the Hell's Angels up there. 1150 00:41:37,497 --> 00:41:39,099 Did she tell you about the Hell's Angels? 1151 00:41:39,165 --> 00:41:42,369 - She told me the day that they all rocked up 1152 00:41:42,435 --> 00:41:45,405 and she was like, I just heard this almighty 1153 00:41:45,438 --> 00:41:46,706 noise of these engines, 1154 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:49,542 these bikes just like, roaring up the street. 1155 00:41:49,576 --> 00:41:52,045 And she said that she was like, 1156 00:41:52,078 --> 00:41:54,481 somebody was in a meeting or having a phone call 1157 00:41:54,514 --> 00:41:57,283 or something quite important was happening. 1158 00:41:57,317 --> 00:41:58,718 And she was just really annoyed 1159 00:41:58,785 --> 00:42:01,388 that whoever was outside was making all this noise. 1160 00:42:01,421 --> 00:42:03,523 And then she realized, oh, no. 1161 00:42:03,556 --> 00:42:04,257 They've stopped. 1162 00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:05,091 They're here for us. 1163 00:42:05,125 --> 00:42:06,326 - Well, we'd been warned. 1164 00:42:06,359 --> 00:42:10,330 George wrote a memo saying that they were coming to town 1165 00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:11,731 and not to, 1166 00:42:11,765 --> 00:42:13,133 you know, don't give them a hard time. 1167 00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:15,001 Don't uptight them. 1168 00:42:15,035 --> 00:42:16,670 Were his exact words. (Natalie laughs) 1169 00:42:16,703 --> 00:42:18,171 Don't uptight them. 1170 00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:21,007 They slowly made their way up the building. 1171 00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:23,543 And when they got to the fourth floor, 1172 00:42:23,576 --> 00:42:25,011 they came into mine. 1173 00:42:25,078 --> 00:42:26,146 And I, 1174 00:42:26,179 --> 00:42:28,148 so I just went, 1175 00:42:28,214 --> 00:42:29,683 I'm American. 1176 00:42:29,716 --> 00:42:30,850 Don't mess with me. 1177 00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:31,785 - [Natalie] Like, come on, man. 1178 00:42:31,851 --> 00:42:32,886 - [Chris] Yeah, come on. 1179 00:42:32,952 --> 00:42:33,820 (Natalie laughs) 1180 00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:35,588 - [Chris] And so, I got along great with them. 1181 00:42:35,622 --> 00:42:36,589 I hung out with them. 1182 00:42:36,656 --> 00:42:37,390 - [Natalie] Cool. 1183 00:42:37,457 --> 00:42:38,525 Oh, my god. 1184 00:42:38,591 --> 00:42:39,359 I bet that was a riot. 1185 00:42:39,426 --> 00:42:40,226 - [Chris] That was a riot. 1186 00:42:40,293 --> 00:42:42,195 I did acid with one of them 1187 00:42:42,228 --> 00:42:44,898 and he took me on his Harley. 1188 00:42:44,964 --> 00:42:45,598 (Natalie laughs) 1189 00:42:45,699 --> 00:42:46,599 - Yeah. - Through the streets 1190 00:42:46,633 --> 00:42:47,567 of London. - Stupid. 1191 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,368 (Natalie laughs) 1192 00:42:48,435 --> 00:42:49,235 - [Natalie] Stupid but fun. 1193 00:42:49,302 --> 00:42:50,170 - [Chris] In snow. 1194 00:42:50,203 --> 00:42:50,970 - [Natalie] In, 1195 00:42:51,037 --> 00:42:53,139 Are you sure it was snowing? (laughs) 1196 00:42:53,206 --> 00:42:53,840 - [Chris] Well, it was, 1197 00:42:53,907 --> 00:42:55,542 Yeah, it was definitely snowing 1198 00:42:55,608 --> 00:42:57,477 because we how cold did a skid 1199 00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:58,178 and I'm like, - No. 1200 00:42:58,211 --> 00:42:59,045 - [Chris] Whoa. 1201 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,081 This is not the way I choose to die. 1202 00:43:01,147 --> 00:43:01,948 - [Natalie] Yeah. 1203 00:43:02,015 --> 00:43:02,949 Suddenly it's not so fun anymore. 1204 00:43:03,016 --> 00:43:04,417 - So, you see this lamppost here? 1205 00:43:04,451 --> 00:43:06,052 - Yes. 1206 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,988 - I can remember coming back from work 1207 00:43:09,055 --> 00:43:11,324 and there were two Harley Davidsons up there. 1208 00:43:11,391 --> 00:43:12,726 - Oh. 1209 00:43:12,759 --> 00:43:14,761 - And I thought to myself, - I know where this is going. 1210 00:43:14,794 --> 00:43:16,463 - And you see where that window? 1211 00:43:16,529 --> 00:43:17,330 - Yeah. 1212 00:43:17,397 --> 00:43:18,465 - It was open. 1213 00:43:18,531 --> 00:43:19,432 Now, as I'm coming down here, 1214 00:43:19,499 --> 00:43:20,900 I see smoke coming out. 1215 00:43:21,935 --> 00:43:25,171 And I knew they weren't electing a pope, right? 1216 00:43:25,271 --> 00:43:26,139 (Chris laughs) 1217 00:43:26,206 --> 00:43:27,674 And I thought, oh, my god. 1218 00:43:27,707 --> 00:43:28,708 There's so much smoke coming out here. 1219 00:43:28,775 --> 00:43:29,776 I'm gonna get this, 1220 00:43:29,843 --> 00:43:30,744 wee problems here. 1221 00:43:30,777 --> 00:43:32,812 And I've walked in, and I knew 1222 00:43:32,846 --> 00:43:35,815 that the Hell's Angels were at Apple. 1223 00:43:35,882 --> 00:43:36,649 - Mm-hm. 1224 00:43:36,716 --> 00:43:38,718 - And I said to myself, Chris isn't, 1225 00:43:38,752 --> 00:43:40,987 don't tell me Chris is inviting them back. 1226 00:43:41,021 --> 00:43:42,922 (Chris laughs) And I remember walking in 1227 00:43:42,956 --> 00:43:44,691 and they were just sitting here. 1228 00:43:44,724 --> 00:43:47,093 We had soft cushions, Afghan cushions. 1229 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,827 - [Chris] Mm-hm. 1230 00:43:47,894 --> 00:43:48,895 - [Leslie] And there you were, 1231 00:43:48,962 --> 00:43:50,630 sitting in the corner with Sweet William. 1232 00:43:50,697 --> 00:43:51,698 - [Chris] Sweet William. 1233 00:43:51,731 --> 00:43:52,599 - [Leslie] And who was the other guy? 1234 00:43:52,665 --> 00:43:53,466 - [Chris] Frisco Pete. 1235 00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:54,300 - [Leslie] Frisco Pete 1236 00:43:54,367 --> 00:43:56,136 and Frankie. - Frankie, 1237 00:43:56,202 --> 00:43:56,770 - Yeah. - Hart. 1238 00:43:56,836 --> 00:43:58,138 - [Leslie] Frankie Hart. 1239 00:43:58,171 --> 00:43:58,972 - [Chris] Frankie Hart. 1240 00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:00,040 - And, 1241 00:44:00,106 --> 00:44:03,243 and you said, oh, Leslie, this is my friends. 1242 00:44:03,276 --> 00:44:05,078 You know, and they, 1243 00:44:05,145 --> 00:44:06,546 - How'd you feel when you walked inside and that was, 1244 00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:08,114 - I was scared because you had, 1245 00:44:08,181 --> 00:44:09,649 they had Budweisers there (Chris laughs) 1246 00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:12,652 and I had a beautiful wooden Afghan table 1247 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,654 and I thought they were gonna go (whistles) 1248 00:44:14,688 --> 00:44:15,655 with the bottle tops 1249 00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:16,623 - Yeah. - and ruin my table. 1250 00:44:16,656 --> 00:44:17,524 And I was nervous. 1251 00:44:17,590 --> 00:44:19,793 I'm thinking, this is my place. 1252 00:44:19,826 --> 00:44:21,528 And I'm now nervous. 1253 00:44:21,594 --> 00:44:22,929 And I broke the ice. (Chris laughs) 1254 00:44:22,996 --> 00:44:24,130 He said to me, - This is my place. 1255 00:44:24,197 --> 00:44:25,732 - He said to me, 1256 00:44:25,765 --> 00:44:28,168 oh, you cut The Beatles' hair, do you? 1257 00:44:28,234 --> 00:44:28,968 And I went, yeah. 1258 00:44:29,035 --> 00:44:29,703 And he went, 1259 00:44:29,736 --> 00:44:30,870 Suddenly the atmosphere changed. 1260 00:44:30,904 --> 00:44:32,972 Then you turn around and said, yes. 1261 00:44:33,006 --> 00:44:34,374 And I said, where have you been? 1262 00:44:34,441 --> 00:44:36,676 And you said, oh, I've just been running around London 1263 00:44:36,743 --> 00:44:37,644 on the back of his motorbike. 1264 00:44:37,677 --> 00:44:38,945 - Yeah. 1265 00:44:39,012 --> 00:44:43,583 Apple was, in my memory and to me, my feeling, 1266 00:44:43,616 --> 00:44:45,785 the hub of the world. 1267 00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:48,488 It was like it was where everyone wanted to be. 1268 00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:50,890 Her phone was ringing all the time. 1269 00:44:50,957 --> 00:44:51,758 - [Natalie] Just constant. 1270 00:44:51,825 --> 00:44:52,692 - Constant. - She said 1271 00:44:52,726 --> 00:44:53,560 it was a really busy office. 1272 00:44:53,593 --> 00:44:54,594 - [Chris] Very busy. 1273 00:44:54,627 --> 00:44:55,528 - [Natalie] Was never a minute. 1274 00:44:55,562 --> 00:44:56,863 - [Chris] And her, 1275 00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:58,732 and the people were coming in all the time. 1276 00:44:58,765 --> 00:45:01,234 There was Jimmy, the doorman, 1277 00:45:01,301 --> 00:45:02,502 - Yeah. - who helped. 1278 00:45:02,535 --> 00:45:03,336 - Yeah. - He, kind of, kept 1279 00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:04,571 some of it calmed down. 1280 00:45:04,637 --> 00:45:05,672 (Natalie laughs) 1281 00:45:05,739 --> 00:45:06,873 One of my favorite stories, 1282 00:45:06,906 --> 00:45:07,874 that I'm gonna tell you about 1283 00:45:07,907 --> 00:45:09,476 - Okay, - your mom, 1284 00:45:09,509 --> 00:45:11,911 is that Peter Asher and I 1285 00:45:11,945 --> 00:45:14,014 were walking back from lunch one day 1286 00:45:15,448 --> 00:45:17,917 and there was this psycha, 1287 00:45:17,951 --> 00:45:21,287 or this kind of painted, sort of, lor, 1288 00:45:21,354 --> 00:45:22,455 not a lorry, 1289 00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:23,923 but it was a flatbed truck, 1290 00:45:23,957 --> 00:45:25,258 - Yeah. - parked in front of, 1291 00:45:25,291 --> 00:45:27,761 And you never knew what was gonna be coming into Apple. 1292 00:45:27,827 --> 00:45:29,329 - Okay. - So, 1293 00:45:29,396 --> 00:45:32,132 Anyway, and then there were all these people standing, 1294 00:45:32,165 --> 00:45:35,669 these guys with no hair and a ponytail on the back 1295 00:45:35,702 --> 00:45:38,171 and all this saffron and everything. 1296 00:45:38,238 --> 00:45:40,473 And it turned out it was the Krishnas. 1297 00:45:40,507 --> 00:45:41,641 - [Natalie] No. 1298 00:45:41,708 --> 00:45:43,076 - And it was their first day coming there. 1299 00:45:43,143 --> 00:45:45,445 And so, Peter, 1300 00:45:45,512 --> 00:45:48,081 who can be quite shy. 1301 00:45:48,114 --> 00:45:48,948 - Okay. - It was almost like 1302 00:45:49,015 --> 00:45:50,350 he went into turtle pose. 1303 00:45:50,383 --> 00:45:53,486 It's like, I hope they're not here to see me. 1304 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,488 (Natalie laughs) 1305 00:45:55,555 --> 00:45:57,957 And I went, I doubt that Peter. 1306 00:45:58,024 --> 00:45:58,792 - Yeah. 1307 00:45:58,825 --> 00:46:01,428 - So, we went into the thing. 1308 00:46:01,494 --> 00:46:03,930 We went upstairs to our fourth floor offices 1309 00:46:03,997 --> 00:46:05,432 and my phone rang. 1310 00:46:05,498 --> 00:46:07,801 And your mom goes, Chris? 1311 00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:09,936 Peter's three o'clock appointment is here, 1312 00:46:09,969 --> 00:46:10,904 (Natalie laughs) or two o'clock 1313 00:46:10,937 --> 00:46:12,372 or whatever it was. 1314 00:46:12,439 --> 00:46:14,674 And I went, oh. 1315 00:46:14,708 --> 00:46:15,709 Is it the people that were 1316 00:46:15,742 --> 00:46:16,776 in that truck outside? - Oh, no. 1317 00:46:16,843 --> 00:46:20,480 - And she said, yes. (laughs) 1318 00:46:20,547 --> 00:46:22,115 - [Natalie] Well, they're all stood in reception, probably. 1319 00:46:22,182 --> 00:46:23,583 And she's like, on the back. 1320 00:46:23,616 --> 00:46:24,984 - Two of them were all that came in. 1321 00:46:25,051 --> 00:46:27,053 - Oh, no. - And so, I said, 1322 00:46:27,087 --> 00:46:28,388 okay, hold them down there. 1323 00:46:28,421 --> 00:46:29,823 I'll be right there. 1324 00:46:29,856 --> 00:46:32,459 And I went to Peter and said, 1325 00:46:32,525 --> 00:46:33,827 uh, they're here for you. 1326 00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:35,395 - Oh, no. (Chris laughs) 1327 00:46:35,462 --> 00:46:36,463 (Natalie laughs) 1328 00:46:36,529 --> 00:46:37,630 - But that's the kind of thing 1329 00:46:37,697 --> 00:46:38,565 she had to deal with 1330 00:46:38,598 --> 00:46:39,432 all the time. - Yeah. 1331 00:46:39,466 --> 00:46:41,835 - Is that she always had to call 1332 00:46:41,868 --> 00:46:44,004 and act like everything was normal. 1333 00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:44,871 - Mm-hm. 1334 00:46:44,904 --> 00:46:47,007 - Because we'd be on the other end going, 1335 00:46:47,073 --> 00:46:48,408 oh, what do they look like? 1336 00:46:48,475 --> 00:46:49,676 Or what do they want? 1337 00:46:49,743 --> 00:46:50,744 - Yeah. 1338 00:46:50,777 --> 00:46:53,847 - I mean, she was the face of Apple. 1339 00:46:53,913 --> 00:46:56,282 - The first time you met Peter, how did he strike you? 1340 00:46:56,349 --> 00:46:58,551 What was the kind of impression you got from him? 1341 00:46:58,618 --> 00:46:59,819 (record skips) 1342 00:46:59,886 --> 00:47:00,653 - [Narrator] Oh, shit. 1343 00:47:00,687 --> 00:47:02,255 Wrong one. 1344 00:47:02,288 --> 00:47:03,256 Or is it? 1345 00:47:04,824 --> 00:47:08,328 - Well, I would use the word reserved. 1346 00:47:08,361 --> 00:47:09,863 He was very reserved. 1347 00:47:09,929 --> 00:47:11,498 But part of it was 1348 00:47:11,564 --> 00:47:14,968 that he had come from an upper class family. 1349 00:47:15,001 --> 00:47:17,971 And my exposure to English people, at that time, 1350 00:47:18,038 --> 00:47:20,774 had been mostly from Liverpool. 1351 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,042 It just seemed different. 1352 00:47:22,108 --> 00:47:23,943 He seemed very different. 1353 00:47:24,511 --> 00:47:24,844 Hello? 1354 00:47:24,911 --> 00:47:25,712 - Hi, darling. 1355 00:47:25,745 --> 00:47:27,447 (Chris laughs) 1356 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,448 - How are you? 1357 00:47:28,481 --> 00:47:29,015 - It's been a while. 1358 00:47:29,049 --> 00:47:30,016 I'm fine. - It's been 1359 00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:30,884 - Thank you. - a really long time. 1360 00:47:30,917 --> 00:47:31,718 - I'm fine, thank you. 1361 00:47:31,785 --> 00:47:32,719 - Good. 1362 00:47:32,752 --> 00:47:33,753 Thank you for inviting me here 1363 00:47:33,787 --> 00:47:34,421 - It's a pleasure. - To talk to you. 1364 00:47:34,454 --> 00:47:35,388 - Nice to see you. 1365 00:47:35,455 --> 00:47:37,157 - You asked me if I would be your assistant. 1366 00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:38,925 - Yes. - And I said great. 1367 00:47:38,958 --> 00:47:41,828 And then I asked you, what do I do? 1368 00:47:41,895 --> 00:47:42,962 And you said, I don't know. 1369 00:47:42,996 --> 00:47:45,298 I've never had a personal assistant before. 1370 00:47:45,365 --> 00:47:46,933 (both laugh) 1371 00:47:46,966 --> 00:47:49,469 So, we just, kinda, winged it, at that point. 1372 00:47:49,536 --> 00:47:50,337 - Yes, exactly. 1373 00:47:50,403 --> 00:47:51,404 And you were, 1374 00:47:51,471 --> 00:47:53,006 to be honest, you were a personal assistant would, 1375 00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,307 but back then, 1376 00:47:54,374 --> 00:47:56,910 when it wasn't insulting to call someone a secretary, 1377 00:47:56,943 --> 00:47:57,911 you were also a secretary. 1378 00:47:57,944 --> 00:48:00,080 Because I've seen letters that, 1379 00:48:00,113 --> 00:48:01,848 you know, have your initials on them. 1380 00:48:01,881 --> 00:48:03,450 You know, in the old days it used to be 1381 00:48:03,516 --> 00:48:06,019 who dictated them and who typed them. 1382 00:48:06,086 --> 00:48:07,487 And you, - Funny you should say that. 1383 00:48:07,554 --> 00:48:08,655 - Oh. 1384 00:48:08,722 --> 00:48:11,725 - 15th of July, 1968 from Peter Asher. 1385 00:48:11,791 --> 00:48:13,727 Head of A&R for Apple Records. 1386 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,028 Dear sir. 1387 00:48:15,095 --> 00:48:17,697 This is addressed to Kenneth Pitt management. 1388 00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:19,199 As we told you on the phone, 1389 00:48:19,265 --> 00:48:23,036 Apple Records is not interested in signing David Bowie. 1390 00:48:23,103 --> 00:48:24,170 The reason is that we don't feel 1391 00:48:24,237 --> 00:48:26,906 he is what we're looking for, at the moment. 1392 00:48:26,973 --> 00:48:28,708 Thank you for your time. 1393 00:48:28,775 --> 00:48:30,643 Yours, sincerely, Peter Asher. 1394 00:48:30,744 --> 00:48:32,512 - Oh. - And is typed 1395 00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:33,546 by you. 1396 00:48:33,613 --> 00:48:34,481 C-O. - Yeah. 1397 00:48:34,514 --> 00:48:35,749 P-A, Peter Asher. 1398 00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:37,550 C-O, Chris O'Dell. 1399 00:48:37,584 --> 00:48:39,285 - Yes, I definitely typed it. 1400 00:48:39,319 --> 00:48:41,654 God, I wonder if Peter remembers this. 1401 00:48:41,721 --> 00:48:44,391 (upbeat music) 1402 00:48:44,457 --> 00:48:45,058 - Yes. 1403 00:48:45,091 --> 00:48:45,892 That's a weird one. 1404 00:48:45,925 --> 00:48:47,694 I, yeah, 1405 00:48:47,727 --> 00:48:49,596 Because what is strange is that 1406 00:48:49,662 --> 00:48:53,066 that's not language I would ever have used. 1407 00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:54,834 - Well, I signed it. 1408 00:48:54,868 --> 00:48:55,969 - Yes. 1409 00:48:56,036 --> 00:48:56,836 Because, I initialed, - I know it's not 1410 00:48:56,903 --> 00:48:57,904 my signature either. - Yeah. 1411 00:48:57,971 --> 00:48:59,839 - 'Cause people have asked me about that. 1412 00:48:59,873 --> 00:49:00,573 - But did you see who, 1413 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,508 - Yes, yes. - we were 1414 00:49:01,574 --> 00:49:02,575 - It's David Bowie. 1415 00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:03,376 I know. - rejecting? 1416 00:49:03,443 --> 00:49:04,277 - Yeah, yes. 1417 00:49:04,344 --> 00:49:05,145 (Chris laughs) 1418 00:49:05,211 --> 00:49:06,312 Who's that guy, Ken Pitt. 1419 00:49:06,346 --> 00:49:07,881 - [Chris] Huh, I'd never seen it before. 1420 00:49:07,914 --> 00:49:08,948 - [Peter] Apple is not interested in signing. 1421 00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:10,417 The reason is that we don't feel 1422 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:12,752 he's what we're looking for, at the moment. 1423 00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:13,953 That's not a phrase I, - That's not you. 1424 00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:14,921 - I would ever use, no. 1425 00:49:14,988 --> 00:49:16,289 - That was probably me. 1426 00:49:16,356 --> 00:49:16,690 (Peter laughs) 1427 00:49:16,756 --> 00:49:18,091 - Maybe. 1428 00:49:18,124 --> 00:49:21,327 - [Chris] And remember we were only in our twenties. 1429 00:49:21,394 --> 00:49:22,829 - Yes. - If you think about that, 1430 00:49:22,862 --> 00:49:24,397 it's pretty amazing. 1431 00:49:25,331 --> 00:49:28,134 So, it was the right time to be doing, 1432 00:49:28,201 --> 00:49:30,337 to be going out and having fun at the end of the day. 1433 00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:31,838 But we did work hard. - Oh, absolutely. 1434 00:49:31,905 --> 00:49:32,939 I remember. - Oh, you did. 1435 00:49:32,972 --> 00:49:34,174 You know, you were a terrific assistant. 1436 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:34,974 - Thank you. - Providing, 1437 00:49:35,008 --> 00:49:36,576 you could be found. 1438 00:49:36,643 --> 00:49:37,310 - Oh, yes. - Occasionally. 1439 00:49:37,377 --> 00:49:38,378 Occasionally, - Occasionally. 1440 00:49:38,445 --> 00:49:39,346 - you disappeared. 1441 00:49:39,412 --> 00:49:40,980 - I slept under my desk one night. 1442 00:49:41,014 --> 00:49:43,216 (both laugh) 1443 00:49:43,283 --> 00:49:45,452 - This does not surprise me. 1444 00:49:45,485 --> 00:49:46,119 (Chris laughs) 1445 00:49:46,152 --> 00:49:46,953 Yeah, no, it, 1446 00:49:46,986 --> 00:49:48,054 You were terrific. 1447 00:49:48,088 --> 00:49:49,556 But every now and then, it was like, 1448 00:49:49,622 --> 00:49:50,323 has anybody seen Chris? 1449 00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:51,291 (Chris laughs) 1450 00:49:51,324 --> 00:49:52,726 And it means that I've either you fallen asleep 1451 00:49:52,792 --> 00:49:54,928 or something much more interesting 1452 00:49:54,994 --> 00:49:56,229 is happening on another floor. 1453 00:49:56,296 --> 00:49:57,330 - That could be true. 1454 00:49:57,364 --> 00:49:58,131 - Originally. - I remember you 1455 00:49:58,164 --> 00:49:59,165 looking for me once. 1456 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,068 I was, (laughs) (Peter laughs) 1457 00:50:02,135 --> 00:50:05,071 You were very patient with me. 1458 00:50:05,105 --> 00:50:07,907 That's not even relating to the time that you told me 1459 00:50:07,941 --> 00:50:09,642 I was the first person you knew 1460 00:50:09,676 --> 00:50:12,078 who was a week late for work. 1461 00:50:12,145 --> 00:50:14,114 (both laugh) 1462 00:50:14,748 --> 00:50:15,348 So, 1463 00:50:15,415 --> 00:50:16,049 Apple, 1464 00:50:16,082 --> 00:50:18,385 I remember you leaving, 1465 00:50:18,451 --> 00:50:21,388 but I can't remember why you left. 1466 00:50:21,421 --> 00:50:24,290 I mean, I know I have a thought that you left 1467 00:50:24,357 --> 00:50:26,993 because things were falling apart, basically. 1468 00:50:27,027 --> 00:50:29,462 - Yeah, I left because I knew about Alan Klein, 1469 00:50:29,529 --> 00:50:32,365 by reputation from some friends in New York 1470 00:50:32,399 --> 00:50:33,767 who knew him 1471 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,502 and people who also, 1472 00:50:35,535 --> 00:50:37,203 who knew The Stones, 1473 00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:40,306 who were already, were not too keen on Alan. 1474 00:50:40,373 --> 00:50:43,376 And even at that time, they started to realize 1475 00:50:43,443 --> 00:50:44,844 it was too good to be true. 1476 00:50:44,878 --> 00:50:48,181 You know, that he was a bit of a crook, on the side. 1477 00:50:48,248 --> 00:50:50,183 Yeah, I wrote a, actual, letter of resignation, 1478 00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:51,718 which I've asked Apple if they can find it, 1479 00:50:51,785 --> 00:50:53,119 'cause they're pretty good at finding stuff, 1480 00:50:53,186 --> 00:50:54,954 but no one's found it yet. 1481 00:50:55,021 --> 00:50:57,090 But I remember writing a specific letter 1482 00:50:57,123 --> 00:50:58,591 explaining why I was leaving. 1483 00:50:59,859 --> 00:51:02,062 And then James and I just left. 1484 00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:04,597 And I went to LA 1485 00:51:04,664 --> 00:51:06,833 and we agreed that I would become James's manager, 1486 00:51:06,866 --> 00:51:07,967 simply because we didn't know 1487 00:51:08,001 --> 00:51:10,036 who else we would trust to do it. 1488 00:51:10,103 --> 00:51:11,338 I figured if Brian Epstein can go 1489 00:51:11,371 --> 00:51:13,406 from running a record shop to managing The Beatles, 1490 00:51:13,473 --> 00:51:16,576 I can go from being an artist to managing James Taylor. 1491 00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:19,279 - James Taylor sounds like a character. 1492 00:51:19,346 --> 00:51:20,347 - Yes. 1493 00:51:20,413 --> 00:51:23,650 He was my first date, so to speak. 1494 00:51:24,884 --> 00:51:25,885 When I first got here, 1495 00:51:25,919 --> 00:51:28,488 Derek hated to see me be gettin' lonely, 1496 00:51:28,555 --> 00:51:31,157 and so, he fixed me up with James. 1497 00:51:31,224 --> 00:51:32,759 And it was the same thing. 1498 00:51:32,826 --> 00:51:35,195 I didn't come here to meet an American guy. 1499 00:51:35,228 --> 00:51:37,997 But James was very different back then. 1500 00:51:38,031 --> 00:51:39,165 - [Simon] You were lucky enough 1501 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,302 to, kind of, be around the studios. 1502 00:51:42,335 --> 00:51:45,171 Did you get a different take on them, as people, 1503 00:51:45,238 --> 00:51:47,107 in that recording studio? 1504 00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:48,441 - You had to move from thinking 1505 00:51:48,475 --> 00:51:50,477 they were these little people like this 1506 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:52,312 to suddenly there were these real people, 1507 00:51:52,379 --> 00:51:54,080 standing in front of you. 1508 00:51:54,147 --> 00:51:57,017 So, once that adjustment was made, 1509 00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:58,651 that's the acclimating. 1510 00:51:58,718 --> 00:52:01,755 Acclimating to the fact that, okay, now I'm part of this. 1511 00:52:01,821 --> 00:52:07,093 And to the point, that I thought it was quite okay to say, 1512 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,896 Paul, do you mind if I come to the studio 1513 00:52:09,929 --> 00:52:11,031 and watch you record? 1514 00:52:11,064 --> 00:52:12,665 Which as it turns out, it, 1515 00:52:12,732 --> 00:52:16,670 I did do that, but it wasn't really okay. 1516 00:52:16,703 --> 00:52:19,706 Two of the other girls said, oh, no, no, no, no, no. 1517 00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:21,374 We don't ever do that. 1518 00:52:21,441 --> 00:52:23,176 In fact, when Brian was alive, 1519 00:52:23,209 --> 00:52:24,310 we weren't even allowed to go 1520 00:52:24,344 --> 00:52:27,614 to the same social events is them. 1521 00:52:27,681 --> 00:52:28,314 That, 1522 00:52:28,348 --> 00:52:29,315 That doesn't make sense. 1523 00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:31,184 And they said, well, that's kind of the rule. 1524 00:52:31,251 --> 00:52:34,354 - No, it was, sort of, it felt like a male bastion. 1525 00:52:34,387 --> 00:52:36,856 It was just for the guys to have fun. 1526 00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:37,757 I thought. 1527 00:52:37,791 --> 00:52:39,025 Or I felt that. 1528 00:52:39,092 --> 00:52:42,295 - And, as it turned out, it really was (laughs) 1529 00:52:42,328 --> 00:52:45,098 because I did go to the studio, thanks to Mal Evans, 1530 00:52:45,131 --> 00:52:47,634 and I wasn't gonna get in that night. 1531 00:52:47,667 --> 00:52:49,102 And we sat. 1532 00:52:49,169 --> 00:52:50,603 And we sat. 1533 00:52:50,637 --> 00:52:51,905 And we sat 1534 00:52:51,971 --> 00:52:53,173 (Gary laughs) and I went, 1535 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,543 he has no intention of letting me into the studio. 1536 00:52:56,643 --> 00:52:59,079 - [Gary] He was the human rottweiler, keeping the, 1537 00:52:59,112 --> 00:53:00,714 - Exactly. - Yeah. 1538 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:02,515 - His job was to make sure nobody got there. 1539 00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:04,117 But he did it in such a nice way. 1540 00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:04,951 - Yeah. - But he didn't want 1541 00:53:05,018 --> 00:53:06,419 to upset anyone. - No. 1542 00:53:06,486 --> 00:53:07,987 - Did he? - I think that, 1543 00:53:08,021 --> 00:53:10,924 I'm not sure if I ever saw you two, 1544 00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:13,059 it was when you were really little. 1545 00:53:13,093 --> 00:53:14,294 - Right. - A friend 1546 00:53:14,327 --> 00:53:16,896 I went to school with has memories of my dad, 1547 00:53:16,963 --> 00:53:17,997 kind of, more than me. 1548 00:53:18,031 --> 00:53:21,368 He remembers all the parents coming into the school 1549 00:53:21,401 --> 00:53:23,937 when we were about seven or eight, 1550 00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:24,738 all in suit, 1551 00:53:24,804 --> 00:53:25,872 all the men were in suits. 1552 00:53:25,905 --> 00:53:28,875 And my dad be coming in six foot three with Afghan coat. 1553 00:53:28,942 --> 00:53:31,177 - [Gary] He'd pick us up outside the school gates 1554 00:53:31,244 --> 00:53:34,147 with the cowboy hat, holster on and all the gear. 1555 00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:35,015 (Chris laughs) - I remember, 1556 00:53:35,048 --> 00:53:36,016 I remember the, - Seriously? 1557 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:37,217 - I remember the car he had - Yeah. 1558 00:53:37,283 --> 00:53:38,551 - 'cause it was a Mercedes, I think. 1559 00:53:38,618 --> 00:53:39,552 Wasn't it? - Yeah, they, 1560 00:53:39,586 --> 00:53:40,387 - It was a Mercedes. - The hike, 1561 00:53:40,453 --> 00:53:41,454 the Apple. - And that used to 1562 00:53:41,521 --> 00:53:43,023 make me feel a little special, 1563 00:53:43,056 --> 00:53:45,158 going out in the Mercedes and that. 1564 00:53:45,191 --> 00:53:47,527 So, it's strange what you do remember, 1565 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,830 - I just want to know what we were like when we were young. 1566 00:53:50,864 --> 00:53:51,464 - [Gary] Yeah. 1567 00:53:51,531 --> 00:53:52,999 - [Pattie] Younger when, 1568 00:53:53,033 --> 00:53:54,034 You would've been a little boy, 1569 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:55,235 so you probably - Yeah. 1570 00:53:55,301 --> 00:53:57,237 - [Pattie] didn't pay much attention to us. 1571 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:58,972 - I remember 1572 00:53:59,005 --> 00:54:00,540 being by a river 1573 00:54:00,607 --> 00:54:04,244 and you putting sun lotion on my back. 1574 00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:05,111 - Oh. - And I'm thinking, 1575 00:54:05,145 --> 00:54:05,979 this is nice. 1576 00:54:06,012 --> 00:54:08,548 (all laugh) 1577 00:54:10,583 --> 00:54:13,687 - I'll be able to tell my friends about that one. 1578 00:54:13,753 --> 00:54:15,488 - I can't remember which film it was, 1579 00:54:15,522 --> 00:54:16,790 but it would've - Oh, the little boy, 1580 00:54:16,856 --> 00:54:18,124 - [Gary] '72, '73. 1581 00:54:18,191 --> 00:54:19,092 - Yeah. 1582 00:54:19,192 --> 00:54:20,060 - [Gary] Yeah. 1583 00:54:20,126 --> 00:54:22,162 11 years old with Pattie Boyd, 1584 00:54:22,195 --> 00:54:23,196 you know, doing that. 1585 00:54:23,263 --> 00:54:24,698 - [Chris] Rubbing My Back. 1586 00:54:24,731 --> 00:54:25,565 - But you, 1587 00:54:25,632 --> 00:54:27,267 you were so, 1588 00:54:27,334 --> 00:54:29,302 you were the epitome of 1589 00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:34,174 being a beautiful young woman in the '60s. 1590 00:54:34,207 --> 00:54:35,375 - Mal was a character. 1591 00:54:35,408 --> 00:54:36,009 What a character. 1592 00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:37,444 - Oh, yeah. 1593 00:54:37,477 --> 00:54:43,183 He and Neil were like Frick and Frack, in a way. (laughs) 1594 00:54:43,216 --> 00:54:44,818 Neil was kind of serious. 1595 00:54:44,884 --> 00:54:48,488 And Mal was just fun and easygoing and loving 1596 00:54:48,555 --> 00:54:50,123 and um, 1597 00:54:50,156 --> 00:54:51,624 and smart. 1598 00:54:51,691 --> 00:54:54,294 He really knew how to work, 1599 00:54:54,361 --> 00:54:55,695 how to work the game. 1600 00:54:55,762 --> 00:54:58,064 - [Simon] And what were your impressions of Neil? 1601 00:54:58,098 --> 00:55:00,333 - Oh, Neil was amazing. 1602 00:55:00,367 --> 00:55:01,935 He was the fifth Beatle. 1603 00:55:01,968 --> 00:55:04,504 I don't care what anybody else says he was. 1604 00:55:04,537 --> 00:55:06,506 He was with them from the beginning. 1605 00:55:06,573 --> 00:55:09,843 He was a little intimidating 1606 00:55:09,909 --> 00:55:12,912 because he would tell you exactly what he thought 1607 00:55:12,946 --> 00:55:14,814 and he did everything for the best of them. 1608 00:55:14,881 --> 00:55:17,851 And at that time, when I was going to work for him, 1609 00:55:17,917 --> 00:55:21,354 he was starting to put together all the film 1610 00:55:21,421 --> 00:55:24,257 that would later become "The Long and Winding Road". 1611 00:55:24,324 --> 00:55:25,625 Isn't that what it was called? 1612 00:55:25,658 --> 00:55:26,960 - I think so. - The one 1613 00:55:26,993 --> 00:55:27,627 that came out? - Yeah. 1614 00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:29,095 - He had another name for it. 1615 00:55:29,162 --> 00:55:30,363 But at that time. 1616 00:55:30,397 --> 00:55:33,433 But that was the very beginning. 1617 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:35,101 And that was in 1970. 1618 00:55:35,135 --> 00:55:36,803 - I took over from Mal. 1619 00:55:36,836 --> 00:55:38,038 When Apple started, 1620 00:55:38,605 --> 00:55:39,606 Neil, 1621 00:55:39,673 --> 00:55:42,475 the dynamic in the studio was with the four boys, 1622 00:55:42,509 --> 00:55:44,244 Mal and Neil. 1623 00:55:44,277 --> 00:55:46,346 Those two looked after the band. 1624 00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,715 Mal looked after the equipment. 1625 00:55:48,748 --> 00:55:51,718 Neil looked after their personal stuff, 1626 00:55:51,785 --> 00:55:53,286 whether it's, you know, hey Neil, 1627 00:55:53,319 --> 00:55:56,423 I need to go to wherever next week. 1628 00:55:56,489 --> 00:55:57,524 Can you arrange something? 1629 00:55:57,590 --> 00:56:01,728 And so, Neil is liaising with the office 1630 00:56:01,761 --> 00:56:04,698 to sort anything out that the boys wanted. 1631 00:56:04,764 --> 00:56:07,367 And Mal was the equipment man. 1632 00:56:07,434 --> 00:56:09,502 And between the two of them in the studio, 1633 00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:12,472 they would also look after the bands once, you know, 1634 00:56:12,505 --> 00:56:15,542 And they also kept each other company. 1635 00:56:15,575 --> 00:56:17,277 'Cause it is boring sittin' around 1636 00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:18,378 in a studio doing nothing. 1637 00:56:18,445 --> 00:56:19,679 I can guarantee that. 1638 00:56:19,746 --> 00:56:22,282 - [Chris] Mal Evans was a part-time bouncer 1639 00:56:22,349 --> 00:56:23,650 at the Cavern Club 1640 00:56:23,683 --> 00:56:25,585 and was hired by Brian Epstein 1641 00:56:25,652 --> 00:56:27,187 to be The Beatles roadie, 1642 00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:32,058 alongside another great friend to the boys, Neil Aspenall. 1643 00:56:32,125 --> 00:56:35,595 Mal kind of became the older brother to the four lads 1644 00:56:35,662 --> 00:56:38,531 and was their trusted sidekick on tour. 1645 00:56:38,598 --> 00:56:41,601 He was a musically talented man 1646 00:56:41,634 --> 00:56:43,470 going on after The Beatles broke up 1647 00:56:43,536 --> 00:56:45,739 to produce the band Bad Finger 1648 00:56:45,805 --> 00:56:48,875 and their biggest hit, "No Matter What". 1649 00:56:48,942 --> 00:56:51,478 - Mal, he does always come across as this, kind of, 1650 00:56:51,544 --> 00:56:53,380 like big teddy bear character. 1651 00:56:53,446 --> 00:56:54,547 Was that how you saw him? - He was. 1652 00:56:54,581 --> 00:56:56,049 Oh, absolutely. 1653 00:56:56,082 --> 00:56:57,951 He was the gate to The Beatles. 1654 00:56:57,984 --> 00:57:01,688 And had it not been for John's friend, Pete Shotton, 1655 00:57:01,755 --> 00:57:03,857 who came up and started talking to me and, 1656 00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:06,526 'cause Mal wasn't gonna let me in. 1657 00:57:06,593 --> 00:57:08,762 And then Pete said, 1658 00:57:08,795 --> 00:57:10,196 would you like to come in the studio? 1659 00:57:10,263 --> 00:57:11,264 And I went, yeah. 1660 00:57:11,364 --> 00:57:13,133 (traffic hums) 1661 00:57:13,166 --> 00:57:14,300 - [Cameron] Hello. 1662 00:57:14,367 --> 00:57:15,301 - Hello. 1663 00:57:15,335 --> 00:57:16,736 - [Cameron] Welcome. 1664 00:57:16,803 --> 00:57:17,537 - Here we are. - How are you? 1665 00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:19,205 - Oh, my goodness. 1666 00:57:20,774 --> 00:57:23,510 - So, hopefully this room hasn't changed too much 1667 00:57:23,576 --> 00:57:25,011 since you were last here. 1668 00:57:25,078 --> 00:57:27,914 - This room has changed a lot. 1669 00:57:27,947 --> 00:57:29,115 - Oh, really? 1670 00:57:29,182 --> 00:57:31,451 - First of all, it's much more colorful than it was. 1671 00:57:31,518 --> 00:57:32,952 But the board. 1672 00:57:33,019 --> 00:57:35,755 I mean, there was this much smaller board 1673 00:57:35,789 --> 00:57:38,124 right in front of the window. 1674 00:57:38,158 --> 00:57:39,793 - [Cameron] Yeah, they changed the positioning, didn't they? 1675 00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:40,627 - Yeah. 1676 00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:43,863 But they've got little things 1677 00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:45,932 so they can see what's going on in the studio. 1678 00:57:45,965 --> 00:57:47,534 That feels so funny. 1679 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,935 - Yeah, no monitors back then. 1680 00:57:48,968 --> 00:57:51,171 - Yeah. - The window's in the same, 1681 00:57:51,237 --> 00:57:52,072 same spot. - The window's 1682 00:57:52,138 --> 00:57:52,806 in the same spot 1683 00:57:52,872 --> 00:57:54,641 and the stairs is in the same. 1684 00:57:54,674 --> 00:57:58,812 So, we came into the studio from down there 1685 00:57:58,845 --> 00:58:01,781 and we're sitting around the piano. 1686 00:58:01,815 --> 00:58:04,851 And then John and Yoko came down 1687 00:58:04,918 --> 00:58:06,586 and they were, actually, recording, 1688 00:58:06,653 --> 00:58:08,488 I think "Number 9". 1689 00:58:08,555 --> 00:58:09,923 - Okay. - And so, I clapped. 1690 00:58:09,956 --> 00:58:11,624 That was my first Beatle session. 1691 00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:13,259 I got to clap. 1692 00:58:13,293 --> 00:58:15,662 - That's a strange first session 1693 00:58:15,695 --> 00:58:16,529 to walk into that one. 1694 00:58:16,563 --> 00:58:18,098 - A strange first session. 1695 00:58:18,164 --> 00:58:19,265 (Cameron laughs) 1696 00:58:19,299 --> 00:58:20,367 Second time I was here, 1697 00:58:20,433 --> 00:58:22,902 I brought George a note from the Krishnas, 1698 00:58:22,936 --> 00:58:25,872 from Peter about the Krishnas wanting to record. 1699 00:58:25,905 --> 00:58:28,174 And then it seems that, after a while, 1700 00:58:28,241 --> 00:58:30,610 they just got to know me here. 1701 00:58:30,677 --> 00:58:32,178 And I just, kind of, showed up 1702 00:58:33,313 --> 00:58:34,481 at will. 1703 00:58:34,547 --> 00:58:39,519 There was one session that George was doing sub, 1704 00:58:39,586 --> 00:58:42,889 he was putting vocals on a "Savoy Truffle". 1705 00:58:42,956 --> 00:58:46,893 And he would go down, put the voice on and come back up. 1706 00:58:46,926 --> 00:58:49,162 And we decided to get a bottle of wine. 1707 00:58:49,195 --> 00:58:50,697 Well, I don't think we decided. 1708 00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:52,732 We had a bottle of wine. 1709 00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:55,035 And so, it got to the point 1710 00:58:55,101 --> 00:58:57,003 where we'd sit here, drink some wine, 1711 00:58:57,037 --> 00:58:59,239 he'd go down there, I'd follow him, 1712 00:58:59,305 --> 00:59:01,474 bring the wine with me, 1713 00:59:01,541 --> 00:59:03,677 and then come back up and down the stairs. 1714 00:59:03,743 --> 00:59:05,645 Up and down the stairs. 1715 00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,148 And after a while we'd had a lot of wine. 1716 00:59:08,181 --> 00:59:09,015 (Cameron laughs) 1717 00:59:09,082 --> 00:59:09,849 And I 1718 00:59:11,317 --> 00:59:12,352 said, I'll be back. 1719 00:59:12,385 --> 00:59:14,387 I'm just gonna go to the ladies' room. 1720 00:59:14,421 --> 00:59:15,221 And I did. 1721 00:59:15,288 --> 00:59:16,589 I went to the ladies' room 1722 00:59:16,623 --> 00:59:17,590 and there was a sofa. 1723 00:59:17,657 --> 00:59:18,925 It was downstairs. 1724 00:59:18,992 --> 00:59:20,894 I don't know if there's still one here. 1725 00:59:20,927 --> 00:59:24,898 But this big powder room with a sofa. 1726 00:59:24,931 --> 00:59:28,168 And I laid down and fell asleep, (laughs) 1727 00:59:28,201 --> 00:59:29,602 or passed out. 1728 00:59:29,669 --> 00:59:32,839 And the next morning when I woke up, 1729 00:59:32,872 --> 00:59:36,443 it was daytime and I thought, oh, I gotta get to work. 1730 00:59:36,476 --> 00:59:38,778 Where am I? (laughs) 1731 00:59:38,845 --> 00:59:41,414 And I walked up and the guard, 1732 00:59:41,481 --> 00:59:42,449 the security guard said, oh. 1733 00:59:42,515 --> 00:59:43,850 Where were you? 1734 00:59:43,917 --> 00:59:46,720 They were looking for you all evening, trying to find you. 1735 00:59:46,753 --> 00:59:47,787 (Cameron laughs) 1736 00:59:47,854 --> 00:59:49,589 But anyway, and then George later said, 1737 00:59:49,656 --> 00:59:50,590 what happened to you? 1738 00:59:50,623 --> 00:59:53,126 And I went, oh, I went home. 1739 00:59:53,193 --> 00:59:54,060 - [Cameron] Yeah. 1740 00:59:54,094 --> 00:59:54,761 Went home early. 1741 00:59:54,794 --> 00:59:55,562 - [Chris] I passed out. 1742 00:59:55,628 --> 00:59:57,430 - Yeah, a little - Totally. 1743 00:59:57,497 --> 00:59:58,365 - [Cameron] rare privilege, 1744 00:59:58,431 --> 00:59:59,332 - Yeah. - Spending the night 1745 00:59:59,366 --> 00:59:59,899 at Abbey Road. 1746 01:00:01,134 --> 01:00:02,035 - Whoa. 1747 01:00:03,503 --> 01:00:07,240 You can feel the energy. 1748 01:00:08,108 --> 01:00:09,342 Absolutely. 1749 01:00:09,376 --> 01:00:10,777 It's amazing. 1750 01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:12,479 - Yeah, and the smell. 1751 01:00:12,512 --> 01:00:13,546 - Oh, the smell. 1752 01:00:13,613 --> 01:00:15,081 - Sort of, a 1753 01:00:15,148 --> 01:00:15,949 musty, - Yeah, 1754 01:00:16,016 --> 01:00:17,617 a musty smell. 1755 01:00:17,684 --> 01:00:20,687 - Cigarettes maybe still in the walls a bit. 1756 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,455 - Everybody was smoking, - Absolutely. 1757 01:00:22,522 --> 01:00:23,957 - drinking. 1758 01:00:24,024 --> 01:00:24,624 It was good fun 1759 01:00:24,657 --> 01:00:25,825 and a good mood. 1760 01:00:25,892 --> 01:00:27,360 It was a happy atmosphere. 1761 01:00:27,394 --> 01:00:28,862 I can remember the first night 1762 01:00:28,895 --> 01:00:31,164 that I actually came into the control room 1763 01:00:31,197 --> 01:00:35,935 when I was, actually, bringing the letter to George. 1764 01:00:35,969 --> 01:00:38,138 And it was just so easy and calm 1765 01:00:38,171 --> 01:00:41,174 and nobody freaked out that I was there. 1766 01:00:41,241 --> 01:00:44,244 But of course, Mal had to let everybody in. 1767 01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:47,213 Nobody could really get in unless Mal said, yeah, it's 1768 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:47,547 Come on in. 1769 01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:47,881 okay. 1770 01:00:48,815 --> 01:00:49,616 It was very closed. 1771 01:00:49,649 --> 01:00:50,950 - [Cameron] And of course, 1772 01:00:51,017 --> 01:00:54,521 you're involved with "Hey Jude", as well, aren't you? 1773 01:00:54,587 --> 01:00:55,722 - Yes. 1774 01:00:55,755 --> 01:00:57,891 The night that they were recording, 1775 01:00:57,957 --> 01:01:00,126 they were putting on the orchestra 1776 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,363 and they had moved to Trident Studios. 1777 01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:07,033 And again, I booked all the studio time at Trident. 1778 01:01:07,067 --> 01:01:09,969 I didn't at Abbey Road, but I did at Trident. 1779 01:01:10,036 --> 01:01:12,472 - Do you think Trident Studios have been forgotten about 1780 01:01:12,539 --> 01:01:14,441 by people, business mans? 1781 01:01:14,507 --> 01:01:16,242 - Oh god, Richard. 1782 01:01:16,276 --> 01:01:17,544 It's true. 1783 01:01:17,610 --> 01:01:19,746 It has been forgotten by people. 1784 01:01:19,779 --> 01:01:22,349 This was a very big piece of Apple. 1785 01:01:22,382 --> 01:01:26,619 Trident Studios was created by drummer Norman Sheffield, 1786 01:01:26,653 --> 01:01:30,724 along with his brother Barry in 1967. 1787 01:01:30,757 --> 01:01:32,158 And it went on to become 1788 01:01:32,225 --> 01:01:36,129 one of the most popular recording studios of its era, 1789 01:01:36,196 --> 01:01:39,599 with The Beatles, famously, recording "Hey Jude" there 1790 01:01:39,632 --> 01:01:41,735 in the summer of '68. 1791 01:01:41,801 --> 01:01:45,105 They went on to record a number of hits at the studios, 1792 01:01:45,138 --> 01:01:49,476 leading to the likes of David Bowie, Mark Bowland, 1793 01:01:49,542 --> 01:01:53,546 Frank Zappa, Elton John, the Bee Gees, 1794 01:01:53,613 --> 01:01:56,483 the Rolling Stones, and Carly Simon, 1795 01:01:56,549 --> 01:02:00,020 all following in their footsteps. 1796 01:02:00,086 --> 01:02:03,390 I was pretty used to going to Trident, a lot, actually. 1797 01:02:03,456 --> 01:02:06,393 Paul came up to the control room to talk to George Martin 1798 01:02:06,426 --> 01:02:10,530 and as he was leaving, he said, Chris, come here. 1799 01:02:10,597 --> 01:02:13,199 And I thought, okay, whatever. 1800 01:02:13,233 --> 01:02:14,434 So, I went down, 1801 01:02:14,501 --> 01:02:17,971 'cause the studio was downstairs from the control room. 1802 01:02:18,004 --> 01:02:22,809 And I went down and all the orchestras standing around 1803 01:02:22,842 --> 01:02:25,145 and everybody there standing around 1804 01:02:25,178 --> 01:02:27,881 and Paul said, okay, this is what we're gonna do. 1805 01:02:27,947 --> 01:02:30,283 We're gonna sing this chorus. 1806 01:02:30,350 --> 01:02:34,220 And at first I thought, oh, man, I don't sing. 1807 01:02:34,287 --> 01:02:34,821 I don't, 1808 01:02:34,888 --> 01:02:36,189 I'll never be able to do this. 1809 01:02:36,256 --> 01:02:39,993 So, I tried to be very, very quiet. 1810 01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:43,196 And then after a while, Paul just, 1811 01:02:43,263 --> 01:02:46,232 he just sort of got us into singing. 1812 01:02:46,266 --> 01:02:47,701 And so, it was fun. 1813 01:02:47,734 --> 01:02:49,536 Then it got to be fun and we did it 1814 01:02:49,569 --> 01:02:51,738 over and over and over again. 1815 01:02:51,771 --> 01:02:56,376 And I can remember a couple days later, seeing, 1816 01:02:56,409 --> 01:02:57,477 We had put posters, 1817 01:02:57,544 --> 01:03:01,915 Apple put posters all around the west end of London, 1818 01:03:01,948 --> 01:03:04,117 saying, "Hey Jude". 1819 01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:06,820 That was letting people know it was coming out. 1820 01:03:06,886 --> 01:03:09,289 And I remember walking by and going, 1821 01:03:09,322 --> 01:03:10,790 yeah, I sang on that. 1822 01:03:10,824 --> 01:03:12,058 That was cool. 1823 01:03:12,092 --> 01:03:15,295 - I also was spending quite a lot of time at Trident 1824 01:03:15,328 --> 01:03:20,166 because I was a friend of Mark Bowland's. 1825 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,836 and Mark was working there with Tony Visconti 1826 01:03:22,869 --> 01:03:25,739 and Mark then, kind of, introduced 1827 01:03:25,805 --> 01:03:27,340 David Bowie into the mix. 1828 01:03:28,408 --> 01:03:32,112 And David started working with Tony Visconti. 1829 01:03:32,145 --> 01:03:36,016 And I sing on a track of David's 1830 01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:38,451 called "Memory Of A Free Festival". 1831 01:03:38,485 --> 01:03:40,754 And this end section of that is 1832 01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:42,722 the sun machine is coming down 1833 01:03:42,756 --> 01:03:44,424 and we're gonna have a party. 1834 01:03:44,457 --> 01:03:44,591 The sun was, 1835 01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:50,163 And there were about six of us on the studio floor 1836 01:03:50,196 --> 01:03:53,066 and we were recorded and then double tracked 1837 01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:54,034 and then multi tracked 1838 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:55,869 and then quadruple tracked 1839 01:03:55,935 --> 01:03:58,304 until there was like a massive, kind of, 1840 01:03:58,338 --> 01:04:02,075 you know, wall of voices that created, 1841 01:04:02,142 --> 01:04:06,212 They, as Tony and David were describing it, at the time, 1842 01:04:06,246 --> 01:04:11,284 as a "Hey Jude" style mantra like finish 1843 01:04:11,351 --> 01:04:13,720 that faded at the end of the track. 1844 01:04:13,787 --> 01:04:16,222 So, I'd been on that studio floor (laughs) 1845 01:04:16,256 --> 01:04:17,924 - Doing the same thing. - singing on, 1846 01:04:17,991 --> 01:04:19,092 Memory of a, 1847 01:04:19,125 --> 01:04:20,527 And you've been on that studio floor, 1848 01:04:20,593 --> 01:04:22,062 singing the end of "Hey Jude". 1849 01:04:22,128 --> 01:04:22,762 - Yeah. 1850 01:04:22,796 --> 01:04:25,932 So, I heard that "Let It Be", 1851 01:04:25,999 --> 01:04:27,334 I've always believed this, 1852 01:04:27,367 --> 01:04:29,569 that "Let It Be", when Paul wrote it 1853 01:04:29,636 --> 01:04:33,473 was because your dad used to say that all the time. 1854 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:34,674 So, Mother Mary, 1855 01:04:36,042 --> 01:04:41,815 - In the Aashram, Paul had a dream and my dad came to him 1856 01:04:41,881 --> 01:04:46,386 and they did do a take of Brother Malcolm. 1857 01:04:46,419 --> 01:04:47,387 "Mother Malcolm", yeah. 1858 01:04:47,454 --> 01:04:49,022 - But it sounded better than Mother Mary. 1859 01:04:49,055 --> 01:04:49,823 - Mother Mary. 1860 01:04:49,889 --> 01:04:51,191 Oh, it was Brother Malcolm. 1861 01:04:51,224 --> 01:04:53,026 - Early hours of the morning. 1862 01:04:53,059 --> 01:04:55,028 Paul was saying to my dad, I hope you don't mind, 1863 01:04:55,061 --> 01:04:56,730 but it's gonna be Mother Mary. 1864 01:04:56,796 --> 01:04:57,797 - Did you know that? 1865 01:04:57,831 --> 01:04:58,798 - Oh, no, I didn't know that. 1866 01:04:58,832 --> 01:05:00,767 - There is a version on YouTube. 1867 01:05:00,834 --> 01:05:01,835 - Ah. 1868 01:05:01,868 --> 01:05:02,769 - He did an interview, - Of him singing 1869 01:05:02,836 --> 01:05:03,870 Brother Malcolm. - On YouTube? 1870 01:05:03,903 --> 01:05:05,672 - He did an interview with David Frost. 1871 01:05:05,705 --> 01:05:07,540 - Paul was meditating one day 1872 01:05:07,574 --> 01:05:09,943 and I came to him in a vision 1873 01:05:11,144 --> 01:05:15,181 and I was just standing there saying let it be. 1874 01:05:15,248 --> 01:05:16,016 Let it be. 1875 01:05:17,017 --> 01:05:18,685 And that's where the song came from. 1876 01:05:18,718 --> 01:05:22,055 - But it was when they moved to 1877 01:05:22,088 --> 01:05:25,091 the basement of the Apple building in Savile Row, 1878 01:05:25,158 --> 01:05:27,894 that they decided Billy Preston would come on board. 1879 01:05:27,927 --> 01:05:30,463 And you were instrumental in that, weren't you? 1880 01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:34,267 - When I saw "Get Back", it became very apparent 1881 01:05:34,334 --> 01:05:37,170 how he changed the whole feeling of that 1882 01:05:37,237 --> 01:05:38,672 - Yeah. - Those sessions. 1883 01:05:38,705 --> 01:05:40,440 I mean, it was unbelievable. 1884 01:05:40,473 --> 01:05:41,875 Everything just changed. 1885 01:05:41,941 --> 01:05:43,877 - You were the first person 1886 01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:45,545 to put a black man in the White House. 1887 01:05:45,612 --> 01:05:46,646 - I did. 1888 01:05:46,713 --> 01:05:47,514 (Tony laughs) Thank you. 1889 01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:48,682 I'm so happy you said that. 1890 01:05:48,748 --> 01:05:51,317 I was, because George, 1891 01:05:51,384 --> 01:05:53,553 I think George said, can you find Billy a place to live? 1892 01:05:53,586 --> 01:05:54,554 - [Tony] Yeah, yeah. 1893 01:05:54,621 --> 01:05:55,955 - So, I looked around. 1894 01:05:55,989 --> 01:05:57,590 I don't know how I found it, 1895 01:05:57,624 --> 01:06:00,326 but it was apartments called the White House. 1896 01:06:00,393 --> 01:06:01,795 We joked at that time saying, oh, 1897 01:06:01,861 --> 01:06:05,265 I'm the first person to put a black man in the White House. 1898 01:06:05,298 --> 01:06:05,899 - Yeah. 1899 01:06:05,965 --> 01:06:07,434 - So, Chris, here we come. 1900 01:06:07,467 --> 01:06:08,835 A place that you and I know really well 1901 01:06:08,868 --> 01:06:11,304 - Three Savile Row. 1902 01:06:11,371 --> 01:06:11,938 - Yep. 1903 01:06:11,971 --> 01:06:12,672 And look. 1904 01:06:12,739 --> 01:06:13,873 Can you see up there? 1905 01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:16,843 The Beatles played their last live performance 1906 01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:18,878 on the roof of this building, 1907 01:06:18,912 --> 01:06:22,082 3rd of January in 1969. 1908 01:06:22,115 --> 01:06:24,117 - [Cameron] Did you get a sense, on the roof, 1909 01:06:24,184 --> 01:06:26,653 that this was something very, very special 1910 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:27,854 or groundbreaking? 1911 01:06:27,887 --> 01:06:29,389 Or was it just cold? 1912 01:06:29,456 --> 01:06:30,357 - The very famous, 1913 01:06:30,423 --> 01:06:33,593 very famous, big, worldwide, famous 1914 01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:34,861 roof top 1915 01:06:34,928 --> 01:06:35,695 - Mm-hm. 1916 01:06:35,729 --> 01:06:36,663 - concert. 1917 01:06:36,730 --> 01:06:37,130 ("Get Back" by The Beatles) 1918 01:06:37,163 --> 01:06:38,365 - Being on the roof. 1919 01:06:38,398 --> 01:06:40,934 I knew this was gonna be a special moment. 1920 01:06:41,001 --> 01:06:42,469 So, to be able to be up there, 1921 01:06:42,535 --> 01:06:45,472 thanks to Tony, the cameraman, he got me up there. 1922 01:06:45,505 --> 01:06:47,807 I mean, that was amazing, actually. 1923 01:06:47,841 --> 01:06:51,144 'Cause nobody else was gonna get up, at that point. 1924 01:06:51,211 --> 01:06:54,814 * Jojo was a man who he though he was a loner * 1925 01:06:54,848 --> 01:06:58,485 * But he knew it couldn't last * 1926 01:06:58,585 --> 01:07:02,355 * Jojo left his home in Tuscan, Arizona * 1927 01:07:02,389 --> 01:07:04,691 * For some California grass * 1928 01:07:04,724 --> 01:07:09,162 - We had to kind of walk up to my floor to get to the roof. 1929 01:07:09,195 --> 01:07:12,032 And we, the girls, we used to go there and sunbathe 1930 01:07:12,098 --> 01:07:14,534 when the sun came out. (laughs) 1931 01:07:14,601 --> 01:07:15,935 We'd run upstairs 1932 01:07:15,969 --> 01:07:18,838 and lie on the dirty old roof and sunbathe. 1933 01:07:18,872 --> 01:07:22,108 So, you know, we saw them, kind of, starting to fix it up. 1934 01:07:22,175 --> 01:07:23,543 It was a lot of excitement. 1935 01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:26,946 But we had had a memo that said we weren't allowed up there 1936 01:07:26,980 --> 01:07:29,349 because the roof wasn't stable. 1937 01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:32,552 In fact, I think Barbara Bennett even told me, 1938 01:07:32,619 --> 01:07:33,720 not that long ago, 1939 01:07:33,753 --> 01:07:37,424 that she went shopping with Lori, the switchboard girl. 1940 01:07:37,457 --> 01:07:40,193 They didn't even bother to stick around. 1941 01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:41,327 What a thing to miss. 1942 01:07:41,394 --> 01:07:45,065 But I, being the pushy American, 1943 01:07:45,131 --> 01:07:47,600 somehow managed to get up there. 1944 01:07:47,667 --> 01:07:49,502 I was so intrigued to see 1945 01:07:49,569 --> 01:07:52,539 how the people on the street were gonna react. 1946 01:07:52,605 --> 01:07:55,809 * Belonged * 1947 01:07:55,842 --> 01:07:57,310 * Get back Jojo * 1948 01:07:57,377 --> 01:08:01,581 ("Get Back" by the Beatles plays) 1949 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:16,262 * Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman * 1950 01:08:16,296 --> 01:08:19,766 * But she was another man * 1951 01:08:19,799 --> 01:08:24,004 - I never, in a million years, thought that we would 1952 01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:26,373 still be talking about the roof concert 1953 01:08:26,406 --> 01:08:30,110 or that I would end up being one of the only four people 1954 01:08:30,143 --> 01:08:32,379 that, actually, had a seat on the roof. (laughs) 1955 01:08:32,445 --> 01:08:35,749 Why weren't you on the roof top? 1956 01:08:35,782 --> 01:08:36,983 - [Pattie] We'd had a domestic. 1957 01:08:37,017 --> 01:08:37,851 - [Chris] Seriously? 1958 01:08:37,917 --> 01:08:39,185 - Yeah. 1959 01:08:39,219 --> 01:08:41,354 George was so cross with me about something or other, 1960 01:08:41,421 --> 01:08:43,223 something minor, obviously. 1961 01:08:43,256 --> 01:08:45,658 And he didn't say, 1962 01:08:45,725 --> 01:08:48,161 he didn't really tell me what was going on. 1963 01:08:48,194 --> 01:08:49,295 I don't know if he knew 1964 01:08:49,362 --> 01:08:51,965 that they would be playing on the roof. 1965 01:08:52,032 --> 01:08:53,033 And of course, you know, 1966 01:08:53,099 --> 01:08:55,902 like an awful lot of those situations, 1967 01:08:55,935 --> 01:08:58,571 with time, tend become bigger 1968 01:08:58,638 --> 01:09:00,940 and more iconic and more interesting. 1969 01:09:01,007 --> 01:09:02,142 He didn't want to be there 1970 01:09:02,208 --> 01:09:05,011 and he certainly didn't want me to be there. 1971 01:09:05,045 --> 01:09:06,413 - Well, he, 1972 01:09:06,446 --> 01:09:10,350 If I recall he told you that there weren't people coming. 1973 01:09:10,383 --> 01:09:11,685 - Yeah. - There wasn't an audience. 1974 01:09:11,751 --> 01:09:12,619 - He said, 1975 01:09:12,652 --> 01:09:15,288 It's like that nothing was happening, really. 1976 01:09:15,355 --> 01:09:17,157 - But there were only four people 1977 01:09:17,223 --> 01:09:19,659 who actually were on the roof, besides them. 1978 01:09:19,726 --> 01:09:20,760 - You were there. 1979 01:09:20,827 --> 01:09:22,062 - Ken Mansfield, 1980 01:09:22,128 --> 01:09:24,397 Yoko, and Maureen. 1981 01:09:24,464 --> 01:09:25,832 - Why was Maureen there? 1982 01:09:27,467 --> 01:09:29,469 - I guess Ringo had her come 1983 01:09:31,037 --> 01:09:32,806 because she hardly ever came to Apple. 1984 01:09:32,839 --> 01:09:33,873 - No. - But otherwise, 1985 01:09:33,940 --> 01:09:36,242 people think there were all these people on the roof, 1986 01:09:36,276 --> 01:09:39,145 but they were coming out of the windows 1987 01:09:39,212 --> 01:09:40,647 of the other buildings. 1988 01:09:40,714 --> 01:09:45,385 No one on the roof at Apple at the beginning, 1989 01:09:45,452 --> 01:09:47,754 except for us four and them, 1990 01:09:47,787 --> 01:09:49,055 and the cameramen. 1991 01:09:49,122 --> 01:09:51,524 - But I love seeing the film footage of it 1992 01:09:51,558 --> 01:09:54,194 from somebody filming it on the ground. 1993 01:09:54,260 --> 01:09:55,328 - [Chris] Mm-hm. 1994 01:09:55,395 --> 01:09:57,797 - And seeing all these amazing people in shock. 1995 01:09:57,864 --> 01:09:59,399 Some of them loved it 1996 01:09:59,466 --> 01:10:01,401 and others thought it was a bit of an intrusion. 1997 01:10:01,434 --> 01:10:04,304 - Yes, I am Ray Dagg and I was the fool 1998 01:10:04,337 --> 01:10:07,707 that was misfortunate enough to be on that roof 1999 01:10:07,741 --> 01:10:11,211 the last time The Beatles ever played together. 2000 01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:12,612 I reiterate, 2001 01:10:12,679 --> 01:10:15,749 I did not know it was gonna be their last time 2002 01:10:15,815 --> 01:10:17,250 they ever played together. 2003 01:10:17,283 --> 01:10:20,253 And, may I say, neither did they. 2004 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,756 Now, in those days, in the police force, 2005 01:10:22,789 --> 01:10:25,358 you didn't argue with your Sergeant or report on him 2006 01:10:25,425 --> 01:10:27,093 or snitch on him or anything. 2007 01:10:27,127 --> 01:10:28,228 He said to me, 2008 01:10:28,294 --> 01:10:31,364 shut that noise down at the end of Savile Row. 2009 01:10:31,431 --> 01:10:33,667 It's blocking the whole West End. 2010 01:10:33,733 --> 01:10:37,871 Traffic is at a standstill right out to Hyde Park corner, 2011 01:10:37,904 --> 01:10:39,305 which is a couple of miles away, you know. 2012 01:10:39,372 --> 01:10:41,441 So, I walked down the road 2013 01:10:41,474 --> 01:10:45,478 and as I got to Apple headquarters, 2014 01:10:45,512 --> 01:10:49,149 I could see I was one of many police officers 2015 01:10:49,182 --> 01:10:51,217 that were down there already. 2016 01:10:51,284 --> 01:10:52,786 I've since discovered, I believe, 2017 01:10:52,852 --> 01:10:56,656 that they let me in in those 'cause I looked the youngest, 2018 01:10:56,723 --> 01:11:01,361 most fresh faced, libel to cock things up. 2019 01:11:01,428 --> 01:11:02,696 So, they let me in. 2020 01:11:02,762 --> 01:11:04,097 When we were inside talking to 'em, 2021 01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:06,032 we didn't even know they were on the roof. 2022 01:11:06,066 --> 01:11:08,902 We thought they were in a studio with the windows open, 2023 01:11:08,935 --> 01:11:11,037 playing out to the crowd. 2024 01:11:11,071 --> 01:11:14,407 And it was only 15 minutes in 2025 01:11:14,441 --> 01:11:16,242 that we found out they were, actually, on the roof. 2026 01:11:16,309 --> 01:11:17,777 They spent, 2027 01:11:17,844 --> 01:11:20,380 I don't know, 30 minutes stalling us. 2028 01:11:20,447 --> 01:11:22,749 Kept asking to see somebody. 2029 01:11:22,782 --> 01:11:24,684 Kept being told that they were coming. 2030 01:11:24,751 --> 01:11:25,552 They were coming. 2031 01:11:25,585 --> 01:11:27,354 But they didn't, eventually. 2032 01:11:27,387 --> 01:11:29,422 And I said, well, look, you know, 2033 01:11:29,489 --> 01:11:31,691 you're gonna force me to take more drastic action 2034 01:11:31,758 --> 01:11:33,760 unless I can speak to somebody about this. 2035 01:11:33,827 --> 01:11:37,097 And then about 10 minutes later, Malcolm Evans, 2036 01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:39,733 the late Malcolm Evans, nice bloke, 2037 01:11:39,799 --> 01:11:44,337 came down, and he was the road manager at the time. 2038 01:11:44,371 --> 01:11:46,706 So, he, sort of, handled it all, 2039 01:11:46,773 --> 01:11:48,241 and said, would you like to come on the roof? 2040 01:11:48,308 --> 01:11:49,776 So, I said, fine. 2041 01:11:49,809 --> 01:11:51,344 So, we went up there 2042 01:11:51,411 --> 01:11:54,147 and there they were, the four of them. 2043 01:11:54,214 --> 01:11:56,182 It was quite cold up there, I remember. 2044 01:11:56,249 --> 01:11:57,650 'Cause there had my great coat on. 2045 01:11:57,684 --> 01:11:59,953 And they were well wrapped up, as well. 2046 01:11:59,986 --> 01:12:00,954 You could see up there. 2047 01:12:01,988 --> 01:12:04,157 It was dangerous, actually, because there was, 2048 01:12:04,224 --> 01:12:06,226 and all the other rooftops in Savile Row, 2049 01:12:06,259 --> 01:12:07,761 people were hanging off chimneys 2050 01:12:07,827 --> 01:12:10,830 and sitting on tops of roofs, where they shouldn't be. 2051 01:12:10,897 --> 01:12:12,866 You know, it was extremely dangerous. 2052 01:12:13,967 --> 01:12:16,503 And there was quite a lot of people up on the roof. 2053 01:12:16,569 --> 01:12:18,672 I, sort of, asked 2054 01:12:18,738 --> 01:12:21,341 that I needed them to put a finite limit 2055 01:12:21,408 --> 01:12:23,743 on how many of these they were going to do. 2056 01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:25,578 And came back and said, well, they're The Beatles. 2057 01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:28,181 They do what they want to do, you know? 2058 01:12:28,248 --> 01:12:29,749 And I, sarcastically, said, 2059 01:12:29,816 --> 01:12:34,688 so, road manager with you is just a title, is it? 2060 01:12:34,721 --> 01:12:37,023 And he said, yes it is, I'm afraid. 2061 01:12:37,090 --> 01:12:38,058 So, I said, fine. 2062 01:12:38,124 --> 01:12:39,359 Well, then let's try it this way. 2063 01:12:39,392 --> 01:12:42,495 And I said, would you please go over there again 2064 01:12:42,562 --> 01:12:45,498 and tell whichever one you want to talk to, 2065 01:12:45,532 --> 01:12:49,235 that if they don't stop, I'm going to arrest them. 2066 01:12:49,302 --> 01:12:51,571 All four of them and I'm gonna take them down 2067 01:12:51,604 --> 01:12:54,307 to West End Central Police Station. 2068 01:12:54,341 --> 01:12:56,109 And he said to me, before he went over there, 2069 01:12:56,142 --> 01:12:57,811 what's the charges? 2070 01:12:57,877 --> 01:13:01,381 And I said, obstructing police in the execution of duty 2071 01:13:01,448 --> 01:13:03,216 and highway obstruction. 2072 01:13:03,249 --> 01:13:06,353 Now, fortunately, for me, 2073 01:13:06,419 --> 01:13:09,189 he didn't know that I couldn't arrest them for that, 2074 01:13:09,222 --> 01:13:13,393 because there's no power of arrest on private property. 2075 01:13:13,426 --> 01:13:15,161 They have to be on public property. 2076 01:13:15,195 --> 01:13:17,364 In other words, out in the road, 2077 01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:19,666 for them to be arrested for that. 2078 01:13:19,733 --> 01:13:22,936 I suppose taking it to its infinite level, 2079 01:13:23,003 --> 01:13:23,870 I could've waited outside 2080 01:13:23,937 --> 01:13:25,538 until they came out and arrested them. 2081 01:13:25,572 --> 01:13:27,540 But I wasn't gonna do that. 2082 01:13:27,574 --> 01:13:29,709 So, that's what I said to him. 2083 01:13:29,743 --> 01:13:32,779 He then went over to John 2084 01:13:32,812 --> 01:13:36,316 and he started pulling out their amp plugs. 2085 01:13:36,349 --> 01:13:38,118 You can see it clearly on the film. 2086 01:13:39,386 --> 01:13:40,553 And they turned around and said to me, 2087 01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:42,722 You could see them looking going, what's going on? 2088 01:13:42,756 --> 01:13:43,423 You know. 2089 01:13:43,456 --> 01:13:45,025 And then he talked to them. 2090 01:13:45,058 --> 01:13:46,026 And then they came, 2091 01:13:46,059 --> 01:13:48,995 he came back to me after a minute or so and said, 2092 01:13:49,062 --> 01:13:51,064 can they play one more song? 2093 01:13:51,097 --> 01:13:52,198 And I said, one more. 2094 01:13:52,232 --> 01:13:54,000 That is definitely it. 2095 01:13:54,067 --> 01:13:56,636 And then that's when they played "Get Back". 2096 01:13:56,703 --> 01:13:58,905 Fortunately, very fortunately, 2097 01:13:58,938 --> 01:14:00,640 I got away with it. 2098 01:14:00,707 --> 01:14:03,176 And now people say, didn't you handle that well? 2099 01:14:03,209 --> 01:14:05,512 It could have gone so much, 2100 01:14:05,578 --> 01:14:07,280 so much worse the other way. 2101 01:14:07,347 --> 01:14:08,381 - I can't remember. 2102 01:14:08,415 --> 01:14:10,717 I don't know if I was in LA then, or 2103 01:14:10,784 --> 01:14:12,719 - You were. - just was out of the office. 2104 01:14:12,786 --> 01:14:14,054 I was in LA? - You were in LA. 2105 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:14,688 - Yeah. 2106 01:14:14,754 --> 01:14:15,355 I had a feeling that was it. 2107 01:14:15,422 --> 01:14:16,723 - Mm-hm. - Yeah. 2108 01:14:16,756 --> 01:14:18,725 Because as I say, people keep thinking that I was there. 2109 01:14:18,792 --> 01:14:20,593 I've had arguments with people. 2110 01:14:20,627 --> 01:14:21,594 People go, no, you were there. 2111 01:14:21,628 --> 01:14:22,629 I can see you. 2112 01:14:22,662 --> 01:14:23,463 There's your red hair. 2113 01:14:23,496 --> 01:14:24,497 I go, that's not me. 2114 01:14:24,531 --> 01:14:25,231 It's not my red hair. 2115 01:14:25,265 --> 01:14:26,099 That's Kevin Harrington. 2116 01:14:26,132 --> 01:14:27,167 I wasn't there. (Chris laughs) 2117 01:14:27,233 --> 01:14:30,203 - [Chris] The amazing thing about the Rooftop concert 2118 01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:33,707 was that it was six months before the moon landing. 2119 01:14:33,773 --> 01:14:35,709 So, we put The Beatles on the roof 2120 01:14:35,742 --> 01:14:39,145 before putting astronauts on the moon. 2121 01:14:39,179 --> 01:14:44,050 1969, almost mirrored 1964 for most of us in the US. 2122 01:14:45,585 --> 01:14:49,522 John F. Kennedy's assassination left us feeling lost. 2123 01:14:49,556 --> 01:14:51,391 But then The Beatles came along 2124 01:14:51,458 --> 01:14:55,462 to rescue the mood of a country in 1964. 2125 01:14:55,528 --> 01:14:58,031 And we were again left stunned 2126 01:14:58,064 --> 01:15:02,802 by the assassination of Robert Kennedy in mid 1968, 2127 01:15:02,869 --> 01:15:06,539 with The Beatles playing their last concert on the roof 2128 01:15:06,573 --> 01:15:10,343 in London in early 1969. 2129 01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:11,644 It's strange to think 2130 01:15:11,711 --> 01:15:14,347 that there were two assassinations in the USA 2131 01:15:14,381 --> 01:15:17,951 that heralded the world's greatest bands 2132 01:15:18,018 --> 01:15:22,222 in and out of the first wave of Beatlemania. 2133 01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:26,826 - Only one free dress for each customer. 2134 01:15:26,893 --> 01:15:30,864 Only one free dress for each customer. 2135 01:15:30,897 --> 01:15:32,332 - Good of you to come to Beatles sale. 2136 01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:33,533 I've become all peculiar. 2137 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,202 (traffic hums) 2138 01:15:38,738 --> 01:15:40,940 - One of the things that is never appreciated 2139 01:15:41,007 --> 01:15:42,876 about The Beatles and Apple and all of that 2140 01:15:42,909 --> 01:15:45,011 is that though we know what they did do 2141 01:15:45,045 --> 01:15:46,146 and what did happen, 2142 01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:49,449 what very few people know is what didn't happen, 2143 01:15:49,482 --> 01:15:50,383 but could have happened 2144 01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:52,452 because there was a chance. 2145 01:15:52,519 --> 01:15:53,953 Because they were always being offered 2146 01:15:53,987 --> 01:15:55,789 the opportunities to do this, that and the other. 2147 01:15:55,822 --> 01:15:57,424 Come and be involved in this and that, 2148 01:15:57,490 --> 01:15:58,291 like Woodstock, 2149 01:15:58,358 --> 01:15:59,659 - [Chris] Mm-hm. 2150 01:15:59,693 --> 01:16:01,628 - [Mark] which they weren't going to do. 2151 01:16:01,695 --> 01:16:03,963 But had they said yes to any of those things, 2152 01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:06,733 they would've gone into the history we know about. 2153 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,201 And instead they stay in the history 2154 01:16:08,234 --> 01:16:09,736 that very few people know about. 2155 01:16:09,803 --> 01:16:10,837 - [Narrator] For all you Millennials 2156 01:16:10,904 --> 01:16:13,006 who know, virtually, nothing of Woodstock, 2157 01:16:13,073 --> 01:16:15,542 don't worry, just imagine it's EDC, 2158 01:16:15,608 --> 01:16:16,943 but with poor last minute planning, 2159 01:16:16,976 --> 01:16:20,413 no real super structure or guest limitations. 2160 01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,215 We are talking over 500,000 people 2161 01:16:22,248 --> 01:16:24,117 coming together in the name of free love, 2162 01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:27,821 flower power, booze, sex, drugs, and rock and roll. 2163 01:16:27,854 --> 01:16:29,823 It was a cultural phenomena, unmatched, 2164 01:16:29,889 --> 01:16:31,758 or as this guy puts it, 2165 01:16:31,825 --> 01:16:32,592 - And it is true, 2166 01:16:32,625 --> 01:16:33,760 their music is loud 2167 01:16:33,827 --> 01:16:36,296 and they dress weirdly and smoke pot. 2168 01:16:36,363 --> 01:16:38,565 - This is something that often doesn't get remembered. 2169 01:16:38,631 --> 01:16:41,835 And their presence in the American music, 2170 01:16:41,868 --> 01:16:44,604 in the consciousness of American youth 2171 01:16:44,671 --> 01:16:48,341 in the late '60s was very, very strong, wasn't it? 2172 01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:51,244 (psychedelic music) 2173 01:17:01,855 --> 01:17:03,790 - [John] Not many people are noticing 2174 01:17:03,857 --> 01:17:06,626 all the good that came out the last 10 years. 2175 01:17:06,693 --> 01:17:09,996 The vast gathering of people in Woodstock, 2176 01:17:10,063 --> 01:17:13,867 which is the biggest mass of people ever gathered together 2177 01:17:13,933 --> 01:17:16,803 for anything other than war before. 2178 01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:19,673 Nobody had that big an army that didn't kill somebody. 2179 01:17:19,706 --> 01:17:21,608 (dramatic music) (engine roars) 2180 01:17:21,675 --> 01:17:23,943 (guns fire) 2181 01:17:24,044 --> 01:17:25,679 (dramatic music) 2182 01:17:25,712 --> 01:17:29,249 (engines roar) (dramatic music) 2183 01:17:29,315 --> 01:17:32,252 (plane whistle) 2184 01:17:32,318 --> 01:17:35,088 (dramatic music) 2185 01:17:39,459 --> 01:17:41,795 (bombs whistle) 2186 01:17:41,828 --> 01:17:43,530 (bombs explode) 2187 01:17:43,596 --> 01:17:46,366 (dramatic music) 2188 01:17:54,808 --> 01:17:58,945 - [Chris] My husband was a veteran of Vietnam 2189 01:17:58,978 --> 01:18:03,049 and I didn't know a lot about the Vietnamese war. 2190 01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:05,185 I never expected to be with a veteran. 2191 01:18:05,251 --> 01:18:07,220 I don't think I, totally, understood that 2192 01:18:07,287 --> 01:18:08,788 that meant very single guy 2193 01:18:08,822 --> 01:18:11,691 I'd gone to high school with went to Vietnam. 2194 01:18:11,725 --> 01:18:13,293 Mostly everyone. 2195 01:18:13,326 --> 01:18:14,761 He was in the Army. 2196 01:18:14,828 --> 01:18:16,830 Then he was in Special Forces. 2197 01:18:16,896 --> 01:18:19,132 And then he was in the first group of Delta Force. 2198 01:18:19,165 --> 01:18:21,935 So, he was serious about that job. 2199 01:18:22,002 --> 01:18:24,104 We would sit and realize 2200 01:18:24,170 --> 01:18:27,040 how different our lives were, at that time. 2201 01:18:27,073 --> 01:18:29,009 I would get letters from some people, 2202 01:18:29,042 --> 01:18:31,678 the guys I knew at Apple, 2203 01:18:31,711 --> 01:18:34,481 who would send me letters from Vietnam, 2204 01:18:34,514 --> 01:18:37,017 just wanting to make a connection. 2205 01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:39,919 My husband did have PTSD. 2206 01:18:39,986 --> 01:18:42,522 He is, he is deceased now. 2207 01:18:42,555 --> 01:18:46,126 And the PTSD had a lot to do with it. 2208 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,763 - [Narrator] Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD, 2209 01:18:49,796 --> 01:18:51,231 plagues, many veterans. 2210 01:18:51,264 --> 01:18:53,433 - [Chris] You know, I learned a lot from him. 2211 01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:56,403 I learned another part of life I hadn't experienced 2212 01:18:56,469 --> 01:18:58,271 when I, probably, should have. 2213 01:18:59,639 --> 01:19:02,142 - So, where are you now in your mind 2214 01:19:02,208 --> 01:19:05,945 and what you want to do and your direction 2215 01:19:06,012 --> 01:19:07,313 next? - Well, actually, 2216 01:19:08,448 --> 01:19:12,152 I got caught slightly off guard by Leon Russell, 2217 01:19:12,185 --> 01:19:15,355 who came over and was working on his first album 2218 01:19:15,388 --> 01:19:17,123 with Denny Cordell. 2219 01:19:17,190 --> 01:19:20,827 And he wrote a song, "Pisces Apple Lady". 2220 01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:23,396 And I went into the studio that night 2221 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:24,597 and, suddenly, I heard it 2222 01:19:24,664 --> 01:19:25,999 and I heard the words. 2223 01:19:26,066 --> 01:19:28,635 And I went, oh, he really likes me. 2224 01:19:28,668 --> 01:19:30,170 (both laugh) 2225 01:19:30,437 --> 01:19:31,271 Whoops. 2226 01:19:31,304 --> 01:19:32,305 That changes everything. 2227 01:19:32,339 --> 01:19:38,078 And so, I left Apple to go with him back to Los Angeles. 2228 01:19:38,144 --> 01:19:38,611 Um, 2229 01:19:38,645 --> 01:19:39,646 It was, 2230 01:19:39,713 --> 01:19:41,648 It wasn't for a really long time, 2231 01:19:41,681 --> 01:19:43,817 but I lived with him there. 2232 01:19:43,850 --> 01:19:46,219 But I really didn't settle 2233 01:19:46,286 --> 01:19:48,521 into being some musician's, old lady. 2234 01:19:48,555 --> 01:19:49,522 It just didn't work. 2235 01:19:49,589 --> 01:19:50,623 It wasn't me. 2236 01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:52,058 I wanted to be back with the action. 2237 01:19:52,125 --> 01:19:53,927 I wanted to be involved in booking 2238 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,595 and doing all kinds of things. 2239 01:19:55,662 --> 01:19:56,930 And I just couldn't do that. 2240 01:19:56,996 --> 01:19:58,798 Derek happened to have called me. 2241 01:19:58,832 --> 01:19:59,933 - [Bob] Yes. 2242 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,836 - After I'd made the decision that we weren't, 2243 01:20:02,869 --> 01:20:04,104 we were gonna split up. 2244 01:20:04,170 --> 01:20:07,207 And Derek just outta the blue called and said, 2245 01:20:07,273 --> 01:20:07,807 how are you? 2246 01:20:07,874 --> 01:20:09,709 And I said, not so good. 2247 01:20:09,776 --> 01:20:11,277 Things aren't working out so well here. 2248 01:20:11,311 --> 01:20:13,013 And he said, why don't you come back? 2249 01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,181 Then I went back to Apple. 2250 01:20:15,215 --> 01:20:17,751 By this time things have changed, dramatically. 2251 01:20:17,817 --> 01:20:20,620 Alan Klein had really taken over Apple. 2252 01:20:20,687 --> 01:20:23,189 It was made very clear to me 2253 01:20:23,223 --> 01:20:26,092 that Alan Klein was not gonna hire me. 2254 01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,529 That was when Neil Aspenall saved me 2255 01:20:29,562 --> 01:20:31,464 and said, 2256 01:20:31,531 --> 01:20:32,298 come work for me. 2257 01:20:32,332 --> 01:20:33,733 You can work for me. 2258 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:34,934 And then a couple, 2259 01:20:35,001 --> 01:20:36,336 a week later or two, George called 2260 01:20:36,403 --> 01:20:38,738 and asked me to come to Friar Park 2261 01:20:38,772 --> 01:20:39,572 to live there. - Right. 2262 01:20:39,606 --> 01:20:40,707 It's hard, isn't it, 2263 01:20:40,774 --> 01:20:44,310 to even begin to try and describe to people 2264 01:20:44,344 --> 01:20:46,980 the sheer size 2265 01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:49,983 and how imposing 2266 01:20:50,016 --> 01:20:52,085 as a building Friar Park is. 2267 01:20:52,152 --> 01:20:53,853 But I guess in those days it must've been 2268 01:20:53,887 --> 01:20:56,089 a big old rambling, 2269 01:20:57,557 --> 01:20:59,426 unheated. (laughs) 2270 01:20:59,492 --> 01:21:00,493 - It was so 2271 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,761 - Dusty. - cold. 2272 01:21:01,828 --> 01:21:02,729 - Yeah. (both laugh) 2273 01:21:02,762 --> 01:21:04,731 - It was almost as cold as the roof 2274 01:21:04,798 --> 01:21:05,598 - Yes. 2275 01:21:05,632 --> 01:21:07,200 - that day. 2276 01:21:07,233 --> 01:21:08,101 No, we pull, 2277 01:21:08,168 --> 01:21:09,602 Actually, it was kind of wonderful 2278 01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:11,938 because we went, 2279 01:21:11,971 --> 01:21:14,407 I was with Kevin Harrington and George 2280 01:21:14,441 --> 01:21:17,977 and I met them at the studio at Trident, with my bag. 2281 01:21:18,011 --> 01:21:19,946 'Cause he said, bring some stuff with you. 2282 01:21:20,013 --> 01:21:24,918 And we drove in the front gate 2283 01:21:24,951 --> 01:21:26,386 and there was the lodge, 2284 01:21:26,419 --> 01:21:27,420 the front lodge there. 2285 01:21:27,487 --> 01:21:29,989 And I went, oh, George, that's so beautiful. 2286 01:21:30,056 --> 01:21:32,392 And he went, that's the front lodge. 2287 01:21:32,425 --> 01:21:33,293 My brother lives there. 2288 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,461 I said, oh, okay. 2289 01:21:34,527 --> 01:21:37,664 Then we drive a little further down this long driveway 2290 01:21:37,697 --> 01:21:39,132 and there's the middle lodge. 2291 01:21:39,165 --> 01:21:41,534 And he goes, no, that's not it either. 2292 01:21:41,568 --> 01:21:43,636 Then you do this bend 2293 01:21:43,703 --> 01:21:45,739 and there's the house. 2294 01:21:45,805 --> 01:21:47,507 And it's just (gasps) 2295 01:21:47,574 --> 01:21:49,009 It's stunning. 2296 01:21:49,042 --> 01:21:51,578 Friar Park sounded like a fairytale place, 2297 01:21:51,644 --> 01:21:55,015 but much of it was in disrepair when George bought it. 2298 01:21:55,048 --> 01:21:59,953 I think he paid about 140,000 pounds in 1970, 2299 01:22:00,020 --> 01:22:02,922 which doesn't sound much by today's standards, 2300 01:22:02,989 --> 01:22:04,691 but would actually be equivalent 2301 01:22:04,724 --> 01:22:07,193 to over 2 million pounds today. 2302 01:22:07,260 --> 01:22:10,030 George wanted it so that he could have privacy, 2303 01:22:10,096 --> 01:22:12,499 something all The Beatles wanted, 2304 01:22:12,532 --> 01:22:16,870 but I also think he liked the sheer eccentricity of it all. 2305 01:22:16,903 --> 01:22:18,471 Now, mind you, when he got the house, 2306 01:22:18,538 --> 01:22:21,274 the lakes were all covered up by the nuns, 2307 01:22:21,341 --> 01:22:23,009 so the children, 2308 01:22:23,076 --> 01:22:25,979 the orphans who stayed there during World War II, 2309 01:22:26,046 --> 01:22:27,647 wouldn't fall in. 2310 01:22:27,714 --> 01:22:31,151 The main mansion was, apparently, due for demolition. 2311 01:22:31,217 --> 01:22:34,821 And the gardens were overgrown with ivy and brambles. 2312 01:22:34,854 --> 01:22:35,922 On top of that, 2313 01:22:35,989 --> 01:22:38,124 people had broken in over the years 2314 01:22:38,158 --> 01:22:40,193 and used the grounds as a dump. 2315 01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:42,328 So, it was pretty basic living 2316 01:22:42,362 --> 01:22:45,799 until George got it all under control. 2317 01:22:45,865 --> 01:22:47,801 By the time I moved into Friar Park, 2318 01:22:47,867 --> 01:22:50,070 they'd only been there a few months 2319 01:22:50,136 --> 01:22:53,740 and a lot of that disrepair had been cleaned up. 2320 01:22:53,773 --> 01:22:56,009 And we were relegated to no heat 2321 01:22:56,042 --> 01:22:58,044 and sleeping on cots. 2322 01:22:58,078 --> 01:23:00,513 Well, actually, in sleeping bags. 2323 01:23:00,547 --> 01:23:05,352 Terry Doran, who Pattie always called Ted, or Teddy, 2324 01:23:05,385 --> 01:23:08,822 was, actually, living at Friar Park when I first met him. 2325 01:23:08,888 --> 01:23:11,024 Terry had a great sense of humor. 2326 01:23:11,057 --> 01:23:13,526 He was just one long, stringy guy 2327 01:23:13,593 --> 01:23:15,695 who kind of jumped around. 2328 01:23:15,762 --> 01:23:17,263 Everybody adored him. 2329 01:23:17,297 --> 01:23:20,734 He was assistant to George, at the time that I met him, 2330 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,569 or managing Friar Park. 2331 01:23:22,635 --> 01:23:25,472 And I know he'd worked for John before that. 2332 01:23:25,505 --> 01:23:28,975 He was, definitely, part of the Beatle family. 2333 01:23:29,042 --> 01:23:30,810 - So, Terry put me in the library, 2334 01:23:30,877 --> 01:23:32,145 which is down to the lawn, 2335 01:23:32,178 --> 01:23:33,980 just off of the um, 2336 01:23:34,014 --> 01:23:35,115 the hall. 2337 01:23:35,181 --> 01:23:36,249 - [Chris] Right off the main hall. 2338 01:23:36,282 --> 01:23:37,183 - Yeah. 2339 01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:38,985 And so, like, I'm like really stunned 2340 01:23:39,052 --> 01:23:40,754 and just like, oh, wow. 2341 01:23:40,787 --> 01:23:42,889 You know, here I'm. 2342 01:23:42,956 --> 01:23:43,757 What's all this? 2343 01:23:43,823 --> 01:23:45,725 And it's dark and it's, 2344 01:23:45,759 --> 01:23:46,993 you know, spooky, 2345 01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:48,628 I think might be the correct expression. 2346 01:23:48,695 --> 01:23:49,496 - [Chris] It was spooky. 2347 01:23:49,562 --> 01:23:50,196 - [Kevin] It was spooky. 2348 01:23:50,230 --> 01:23:51,231 - [Chris] It was very spooky. 2349 01:23:51,297 --> 01:23:52,298 - So I, 2350 01:23:52,365 --> 01:23:53,933 I think we'd had a couple of drinks by then, 2351 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,635 by the time I'm, actually, on to bed. 2352 01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:59,506 And I'm just kipping on the floor on a mattress 2353 01:23:59,572 --> 01:24:03,476 and all I can see is the light of Henley 2354 01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:07,614 shining above the trees right down the end of the garden. 2355 01:24:07,681 --> 01:24:11,051 But on the wall, just as the winds blowing, 2356 01:24:11,117 --> 01:24:12,018 (Chris laughs) all of these 2357 01:24:12,085 --> 01:24:13,653 shadows and everything. 2358 01:24:13,687 --> 01:24:14,521 Ah, you know? 2359 01:24:14,554 --> 01:24:15,255 And it's like, 2360 01:24:15,321 --> 01:24:17,057 oh, whoa. (Chris laughs) 2361 01:24:17,123 --> 01:24:18,158 I mean it was, 2362 01:24:18,191 --> 01:24:21,027 it did freak me out a bit. 2363 01:24:21,094 --> 01:24:22,829 You know, it was like, whoa, okay. 2364 01:24:22,862 --> 01:24:24,097 Let's just go to sleep 2365 01:24:24,130 --> 01:24:26,666 and wake up sober and you know, 2366 01:24:26,700 --> 01:24:27,767 (Chris laughs) 2367 01:24:27,834 --> 01:24:28,802 have a joint in the morning. 2368 01:24:28,868 --> 01:24:29,936 It was, 2369 01:24:30,003 --> 01:24:31,237 it was fabulous. 2370 01:24:31,271 --> 01:24:32,605 I'll never forget that night. 2371 01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:35,208 - So, most of that time it was George and Pattie, 2372 01:24:35,275 --> 01:24:36,810 Terry Doran, you and me, 2373 01:24:36,876 --> 01:24:37,677 - Yeah. 2374 01:24:37,711 --> 01:24:38,611 - as I recall. 2375 01:24:38,678 --> 01:24:41,681 I remember on your birthday at Friar Park, 2376 01:24:41,715 --> 01:24:42,782 we had a party. 2377 01:24:42,816 --> 01:24:44,951 I know um, 2378 01:24:44,984 --> 01:24:45,852 Peter Frampton, 2379 01:24:45,885 --> 01:24:46,920 Peter and Mary Frampton. 2380 01:24:46,986 --> 01:24:51,157 And George didn't really wanna have a party, necessarily, 2381 01:24:51,224 --> 01:24:52,726 but he went along with it, 2382 01:24:52,792 --> 01:24:56,062 especially, since he could take them all down in the caves 2383 01:24:56,129 --> 01:24:57,263 and show them the caves. 2384 01:24:57,297 --> 01:24:58,598 He was very proud of that. 2385 01:24:58,665 --> 01:25:01,201 I remember everybody standing around. 2386 01:25:01,234 --> 01:25:04,571 There was just like a table in the main hall. 2387 01:25:04,604 --> 01:25:05,105 There wasn't really, 2388 01:25:05,138 --> 01:25:06,339 And a bench. 2389 01:25:06,373 --> 01:25:08,274 There wasn't anything else, I don't think. 2390 01:25:08,341 --> 01:25:11,211 And I remember sitting there and going, 2391 01:25:11,244 --> 01:25:14,114 oh, I must be part of the inner circle. 2392 01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:15,782 - [Pattie] Oh, (laughs) did you? 2393 01:25:15,815 --> 01:25:17,384 (Chris laughs) Oh, how sweet. 2394 01:25:17,450 --> 01:25:20,887 - The morning the papers came out that Paul, 2395 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,288 with Paul's interview, 2396 01:25:22,355 --> 01:25:25,025 saying that he wasn't playing with The Beatles anymore. 2397 01:25:25,091 --> 01:25:29,062 I came downstairs and I walked in and you were, 2398 01:25:29,129 --> 01:25:30,497 for some reason in my mind, 2399 01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:33,066 you were always stirring oatmeal. (laughs) 2400 01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:33,900 I don't know why. 2401 01:25:33,933 --> 01:25:35,268 Anyway, you were in the kitchen 2402 01:25:35,301 --> 01:25:39,039 and you went, oh, Chris, you can't believe what's happened. 2403 01:25:39,072 --> 01:25:41,307 And then all the papers were there 2404 01:25:41,374 --> 01:25:43,677 and it was what, I would probably 2405 01:25:43,743 --> 01:25:44,911 say, the end of the band. 2406 01:25:44,978 --> 01:25:46,079 They were getting, 2407 01:25:46,112 --> 01:25:50,016 having families and girlfriends and you know, 2408 01:25:50,083 --> 01:25:53,586 And George was dying to record on his own. 2409 01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:56,690 Ringo wanted to go do more movies. 2410 01:25:56,723 --> 01:26:00,460 And, you know, I think, John just wanted to go off 2411 01:26:00,527 --> 01:26:02,662 and do whatever he wanted to do, his art, 2412 01:26:02,696 --> 01:26:03,296 whatever he could do. 2413 01:26:03,329 --> 01:26:05,532 So, Paul kept, 2414 01:26:05,598 --> 01:26:07,767 he tried the hardest to keep it together. 2415 01:26:07,834 --> 01:26:08,635 He really did. 2416 01:26:08,702 --> 01:26:10,236 He was the last to quit. 2417 01:26:10,303 --> 01:26:11,705 - [Pattie] George certain had, you know, 2418 01:26:11,738 --> 01:26:15,709 a huge back catalog of songs he wanted to record. 2419 01:26:15,742 --> 01:26:18,478 And John and Paul would only allow him two on each album. 2420 01:26:18,545 --> 01:26:21,181 - How did you feel when you found out? 2421 01:26:21,247 --> 01:26:23,550 - Well, I mean, 2422 01:26:23,583 --> 01:26:26,286 George was going through such a bad phase. 2423 01:26:26,353 --> 01:26:28,988 He was always so angry. 2424 01:26:29,022 --> 01:26:32,225 I think he was worried about not having any money. 2425 01:26:32,258 --> 01:26:35,128 All Beatles are splitting up. 2426 01:26:35,161 --> 01:26:37,297 - And he was also caught up between 2427 01:26:38,398 --> 01:26:42,736 being very spiritual and still being part of life. 2428 01:26:44,137 --> 01:26:45,538 - Yeah, he was confused. - it was difficult. 2429 01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:47,374 - He was very confused. - Mm-hm. 2430 01:26:47,407 --> 01:26:48,575 - And he never really understood 2431 01:26:48,641 --> 01:26:51,111 why he was famous in the first place. 2432 01:26:51,144 --> 01:26:51,945 - He didn't wanna be, did he? 2433 01:26:51,978 --> 01:26:53,213 - No, he didn't want to be. 2434 01:26:53,246 --> 01:26:55,081 Here we are, someone who doesn't want to be famous. 2435 01:26:55,148 --> 01:26:56,082 - Mm-hm. 2436 01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:58,218 - He didn't want to be. 2437 01:26:58,284 --> 01:27:01,421 And it just gnawed at him throughout his life. 2438 01:27:01,454 --> 01:27:03,356 And I think this is really what, sort of, 2439 01:27:03,423 --> 01:27:05,525 guided him or led him to 2440 01:27:07,327 --> 01:27:11,231 have such a fascination with India, 2441 01:27:11,297 --> 01:27:14,134 'cause he thought the answer could be there 2442 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,435 in Indian culture. 2443 01:27:15,502 --> 01:27:17,604 - Once all of these arrived, 2444 01:27:17,671 --> 01:27:19,406 my presence almost wasn't needed. 2445 01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,341 So, which is alright. 2446 01:27:21,408 --> 01:27:22,242 Which is all right. 2447 01:27:22,275 --> 01:27:23,109 It was a shame. 2448 01:27:23,143 --> 01:27:23,943 A bit disappointing. 2449 01:27:24,010 --> 01:27:24,778 But it was a shame. 2450 01:27:24,844 --> 01:27:25,812 It was, you know, 2451 01:27:25,879 --> 01:27:26,880 this is what it was. 2452 01:27:26,913 --> 01:27:28,415 The only thing I remember 2453 01:27:28,448 --> 01:27:30,984 was when George went on the road with Delaney and Bonnie. 2454 01:27:31,017 --> 01:27:33,319 Pattie's upset. 2455 01:27:33,386 --> 01:27:35,689 She's going, George is gone. 2456 01:27:36,589 --> 01:27:37,257 You know? 2457 01:27:37,323 --> 01:27:38,692 And it's like, 2458 01:27:39,426 --> 01:27:40,794 yeah, he's gone with the band. 2459 01:27:40,827 --> 01:27:44,497 You know, my first thought was, you know, Pattie, sorry. 2460 01:27:44,564 --> 01:27:46,299 You know, it was like, wow. 2461 01:27:47,934 --> 01:27:49,035 Why didn't he take me? 2462 01:27:49,069 --> 01:27:51,404 - I'm saying this as Yoko to John. 2463 01:27:51,471 --> 01:27:53,807 You do need to get all this outta your system. 2464 01:27:53,873 --> 01:27:55,241 You need to do something. 2465 01:27:55,275 --> 01:27:58,011 You know, there's still a certain element 2466 01:27:58,078 --> 01:28:00,347 of an unexploded bomb in you. 2467 01:28:00,413 --> 01:28:02,515 You've gotta let all this out. 2468 01:28:02,549 --> 01:28:08,455 Yoko sensed that this was the time to let John just go. 2469 01:28:08,521 --> 01:28:09,989 And that he would, 2470 01:28:10,056 --> 01:28:13,960 She knew, somehow, that he would always return to her. 2471 01:28:14,027 --> 01:28:15,428 And of course then he did. 2472 01:28:15,462 --> 01:28:16,396 - [Chris] Mm-hm. 2473 01:28:16,463 --> 01:28:17,397 She knew him very well, 2474 01:28:17,464 --> 01:28:18,865 didn't she? - Yeah, that's right. 2475 01:28:18,898 --> 01:28:22,369 - I think when I saw the "Get Back" video is when I really, 2476 01:28:22,435 --> 01:28:23,770 'cause people have always 2477 01:28:23,837 --> 01:28:26,239 continued to blame her for the breakup of The Beatles. 2478 01:28:26,306 --> 01:28:27,607 - That's right. - And 2479 01:28:29,209 --> 01:28:30,477 there were so many reasons. 2480 01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:32,645 She was only just a one of them. 2481 01:28:32,712 --> 01:28:35,515 But when I was watching the "Get Back" video, 2482 01:28:35,582 --> 01:28:37,951 I suddenly, kind of, got it. 2483 01:28:37,984 --> 01:28:41,121 I thought, oh, it's their, 2484 01:28:41,154 --> 01:28:43,723 it's their artistic, creative minds. 2485 01:28:43,757 --> 01:28:47,394 It's their art that pulls them so closely together. 2486 01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:50,230 Their thinking in that conceptual way. 2487 01:28:50,296 --> 01:28:53,033 And it really made sense, for the first time. 2488 01:28:53,066 --> 01:28:54,267 Back then, 2489 01:28:54,334 --> 01:28:55,468 that's not how we saw it. 2490 01:28:55,535 --> 01:28:57,437 We saw it as she was an interloper. 2491 01:28:57,504 --> 01:28:58,872 Then the interview that came out, 2492 01:28:58,905 --> 01:29:00,774 saying that they weren't gonna play together anymore. 2493 01:29:00,807 --> 01:29:01,841 He wasn't. 2494 01:29:01,875 --> 01:29:06,713 And so, that day John came over without Yoko. 2495 01:29:06,746 --> 01:29:08,548 First time I'd seen them, not together. 2496 01:29:08,581 --> 01:29:12,185 George's reaction was pretty swift. 2497 01:29:12,252 --> 01:29:15,188 He went suddenly, within a very short time, 2498 01:29:15,221 --> 01:29:17,557 he's like, I'm gonna make my own album. 2499 01:29:17,624 --> 01:29:19,726 And everybody was like, yes. 2500 01:29:19,793 --> 01:29:20,560 - Yes. - So, 2501 01:29:20,627 --> 01:29:22,395 he started writing things down 2502 01:29:22,462 --> 01:29:26,900 and I typed all the lyrics, as he wrote them. 2503 01:29:26,966 --> 01:29:28,435 He would leave envelopes. 2504 01:29:28,501 --> 01:29:29,436 I would sit in the kitchen, 2505 01:29:29,502 --> 01:29:30,804 in the old kitchen 2506 01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:34,374 and he'd put envelopes or any pieces of paper down. 2507 01:29:34,441 --> 01:29:37,043 And then I would sit and type up all the song lyrics. 2508 01:29:37,077 --> 01:29:40,480 - Just the simple thing of the title of this record. 2509 01:29:40,547 --> 01:29:42,415 "All Things Must Pass", 2510 01:29:43,383 --> 01:29:46,119 if you live your life by that, 2511 01:29:46,186 --> 01:29:46,720 it makes sense. 2512 01:29:46,786 --> 01:29:47,787 - Mm-hm. 2513 01:29:47,854 --> 01:29:51,624 - Because it doesn't matter how great something is 2514 01:29:51,658 --> 01:29:54,861 or how awful moments are, 2515 01:29:54,928 --> 01:29:56,396 they will pass. 2516 01:29:56,463 --> 01:29:58,898 And it's a thing of the universe, somehow, 2517 01:29:58,932 --> 01:30:01,634 if you trust the universe and lean back into it 2518 01:30:01,701 --> 01:30:06,006 and let it help you guide your life, 2519 01:30:06,072 --> 01:30:06,740 it will. 2520 01:30:06,806 --> 01:30:08,108 - I was eating all of that up. 2521 01:30:08,141 --> 01:30:09,843 - Yes. - All the eastern 2522 01:30:10,276 --> 01:30:11,378 religion, 2523 01:30:11,411 --> 01:30:12,145 - Yeah. - all the eastern philosophy, 2524 01:30:12,178 --> 01:30:14,014 I was ready for it. 2525 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,384 So, I was a willing student to just sit there. 2526 01:30:17,417 --> 01:30:19,252 Sometimes at night, everybody just leave. 2527 01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:20,887 Pattie and Terry would go, oh, god. 2528 01:30:20,954 --> 01:30:22,188 Okay. 2529 01:30:22,255 --> 01:30:25,025 And I would sit there and he would tell me all these things. 2530 01:30:25,091 --> 01:30:27,594 I didn't pick it up in the lyrics, at that time. 2531 01:30:27,627 --> 01:30:29,696 I was just doing my job. 2532 01:30:29,763 --> 01:30:33,333 But it also was a period of time when the Krishnas moved in. 2533 01:30:33,366 --> 01:30:34,401 - Yes. 2534 01:30:34,434 --> 01:30:36,269 - So, there was an 2535 01:30:36,302 --> 01:30:37,504 awful lot of that - Awful lot of people. 2536 01:30:37,537 --> 01:30:39,272 going on at that time. - Yeah, yeah. 2537 01:30:39,339 --> 01:30:42,475 - I mean, the dining room became a temple 2538 01:30:42,542 --> 01:30:45,879 and there was a lot of meditation and a lot of chanting 2539 01:30:45,945 --> 01:30:49,182 and a lot of beads being (laughs) shined. 2540 01:30:49,215 --> 01:30:50,250 - [Bob] Yeah. 2541 01:30:50,283 --> 01:30:52,686 - So, it was a very spiritual time. 2542 01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:57,724 I would say, he was my spiritual mentor. 2543 01:30:57,791 --> 01:31:02,762 And actually, I remember John being much more, 2544 01:31:02,796 --> 01:31:05,765 um, approachable during that time. 2545 01:31:05,832 --> 01:31:08,968 He would, actually, you could have a conversation with him. 2546 01:31:09,002 --> 01:31:13,773 And he wasn't doing a lot of drugs and alcohol. 2547 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,976 He was a bit more sober around that period of time. 2548 01:31:17,043 --> 01:31:19,713 It seemed like when they moved into the beach house 2549 01:31:19,779 --> 01:31:21,514 and they started recording "Harry" 2550 01:31:21,548 --> 01:31:23,516 things calmed down, somewhat. 2551 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:24,417 - Yeah. - It didn't have 2552 01:31:24,484 --> 01:31:26,319 the same craziness to it. 2553 01:31:26,353 --> 01:31:27,687 But once, 2554 01:31:27,754 --> 01:31:30,323 But the story is that it kept, 2555 01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:32,525 it was completely crazy and wild. 2556 01:31:32,592 --> 01:31:35,261 Alan Klein and Phil Spector showed up 2557 01:31:35,295 --> 01:31:36,096 to spend the day there. 2558 01:31:36,129 --> 01:31:37,297 So, we had, 2559 01:31:37,330 --> 01:31:38,865 you know, they were there all day and we had dinner. 2560 01:31:38,932 --> 01:31:41,801 And that was the first time I'd met Phil. 2561 01:31:41,835 --> 01:31:42,369 He's, 2562 01:31:42,435 --> 01:31:44,004 He was pretty paranoid. 2563 01:31:44,037 --> 01:31:45,005 And I'd see him in LA, 2564 01:31:45,038 --> 01:31:48,508 and one night I met him at a restaurant, 2565 01:31:48,575 --> 01:31:50,677 Italian restaurant on the strip. 2566 01:31:50,744 --> 01:31:53,046 And we were just drinking and talking and laughing. 2567 01:31:53,113 --> 01:31:55,448 And suddenly, and he was sitting next to me. 2568 01:31:55,515 --> 01:31:57,851 And suddenly, I felt this pressure here. 2569 01:31:57,884 --> 01:31:58,284 And I went, 2570 01:31:59,386 --> 01:32:00,520 Phil, what's that? 2571 01:32:00,553 --> 01:32:03,356 Because we knew he had guns. 2572 01:32:03,423 --> 01:32:05,058 I knew what it was. (laughs) 2573 01:32:05,125 --> 01:32:06,259 And he said, 2574 01:32:06,292 --> 01:32:07,293 it's a gun. 2575 01:32:07,327 --> 01:32:08,828 And I said, well, take it away. 2576 01:32:08,862 --> 01:32:10,397 It's cold. 2577 01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:11,698 And he did. 2578 01:32:11,731 --> 01:32:13,667 And that was the end of that. 2579 01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:18,438 But we all kind of knew, one day it would end tragically. 2580 01:32:18,471 --> 01:32:20,073 - [Mark] A curious thing to do. 2581 01:32:20,140 --> 01:32:23,476 What a really bizarre, upsetting, dangerous, 2582 01:32:23,543 --> 01:32:24,644 - He had mental health issues. 2583 01:32:24,678 --> 01:32:27,047 - thing to do. - I mean, he was mentally ill. 2584 01:32:27,113 --> 01:32:28,014 No doubt about it. 2585 01:32:28,048 --> 01:32:30,250 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2586 01:32:30,316 --> 01:32:33,820 He shot a hole in the control room ceiling, didn't he? 2587 01:32:33,887 --> 01:32:36,222 At the John Lennon rock and roll sessions. 2588 01:32:36,256 --> 01:32:38,525 - He could have shot anybody during those times. 2589 01:32:38,591 --> 01:32:40,427 I just thought, well, that's Phil. 2590 01:32:40,493 --> 01:32:42,495 He does weird things like that. 2591 01:32:42,562 --> 01:32:44,464 And we were in the middle of a restaurant with, 2592 01:32:44,531 --> 01:32:46,399 you know, where everybody would've seen. 2593 01:32:46,466 --> 01:32:48,668 So, it just, you know, it was like, 2594 01:32:48,735 --> 01:32:49,903 oh, Phil, just stop it. 2595 01:32:49,969 --> 01:32:51,104 - [Bob] Yeah. 2596 01:32:51,137 --> 01:32:56,176 - [Chris] And a part of me also knew, don't show him fear. 2597 01:32:56,242 --> 01:32:57,711 - [Bob] Yeah. 2598 01:32:57,744 --> 01:33:00,347 - I think, subconsciously, that was the other thing. 2599 01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,548 Don't show him any fear. 2600 01:33:01,581 --> 01:33:02,449 Take over. 2601 01:33:02,482 --> 01:33:03,783 Take control. 2602 01:33:03,817 --> 01:33:06,119 - I mean, the most frightened, I think, 2603 01:33:06,186 --> 01:33:09,356 pretty much my entire life I've ever been, 2604 01:33:09,389 --> 01:33:12,625 was in the early '80s. 2605 01:33:12,659 --> 01:33:15,395 A now fading rockstar. 2606 01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:19,366 I was round at their house and it was quite late, 2607 01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:22,235 and they were very, very wired. 2608 01:33:22,302 --> 01:33:24,571 And they went to, 2609 01:33:24,604 --> 01:33:26,606 it was done in the games room in the house, 2610 01:33:26,673 --> 01:33:30,276 and they opened a drawer and there was a gun, 2611 01:33:30,343 --> 01:33:32,912 a revolver in the drawer. 2612 01:33:32,946 --> 01:33:36,182 And this guy was brandishing it. 2613 01:33:36,249 --> 01:33:39,252 In itself was, kind of, really scary. 2614 01:33:39,285 --> 01:33:41,588 But he opened it up and spun the barrels. 2615 01:33:41,654 --> 01:33:42,589 And there was one bullet in, 2616 01:33:42,655 --> 01:33:45,325 There was just one bullet in the, 2617 01:33:45,392 --> 01:33:46,493 And he went like this. 2618 01:33:46,526 --> 01:33:47,627 He went (hands slap) 2619 01:33:47,694 --> 01:33:49,596 and pulled the trigger. 2620 01:33:49,662 --> 01:33:51,731 - Oh. - And I could have witnessed 2621 01:33:51,798 --> 01:33:53,466 him blowing his brains out. 2622 01:33:53,533 --> 01:33:55,869 Thank God it was an empty chamber. 2623 01:33:55,902 --> 01:33:56,703 But I, 2624 01:33:56,770 --> 01:33:58,972 You know, that freakiness 2625 01:33:59,005 --> 01:33:59,773 that you get, - That would've 2626 01:33:59,806 --> 01:34:00,974 freaked me out 2627 01:34:01,041 --> 01:34:02,075 - round guns. 2628 01:34:02,142 --> 01:34:05,845 You get a sense, even right back in the '70s 2629 01:34:05,912 --> 01:34:07,914 that he had the capability 2630 01:34:07,947 --> 01:34:09,816 of doing something, absolutely, crazy like that. 2631 01:34:09,849 --> 01:34:11,251 - Absolutely, he did. 2632 01:34:11,284 --> 01:34:12,018 I mean, I can't, 2633 01:34:12,085 --> 01:34:14,020 In a way, isn't it crazy that we, 2634 01:34:14,087 --> 01:34:17,991 none of us did anything or responded, in any way, to that. 2635 01:34:18,024 --> 01:34:19,693 - Hm. - We just all thought, 2636 01:34:19,759 --> 01:34:20,794 okay, that's Phil. 2637 01:34:20,827 --> 01:34:21,795 - That's just Phil being Phil. 2638 01:34:21,828 --> 01:34:23,229 - Yeah, crazy, huh? 2639 01:34:23,296 --> 01:34:23,963 (Bob laughs) 2640 01:34:23,997 --> 01:34:26,132 - And that was like Jim Gordon, 2641 01:34:26,166 --> 01:34:28,335 who was with Derek and the Dominoes, 2642 01:34:28,401 --> 01:34:32,138 who butchered his mother up. 2643 01:34:32,205 --> 01:34:33,206 - Don't, 2644 01:34:33,273 --> 01:34:34,374 'cause I mean, you knew him a little, didn't you? 2645 01:34:34,474 --> 01:34:35,508 - I knew him. 2646 01:34:35,575 --> 01:34:37,610 Oh, he chased me around with a knife 2647 01:34:37,644 --> 01:34:39,312 - Yeah, that's right. - in the flat 2648 01:34:39,346 --> 01:34:40,714 in London. - Well, wasn't it 2649 01:34:40,747 --> 01:34:42,015 Robert Stigwood that saved you? 2650 01:34:42,082 --> 01:34:42,916 - Yes. 2651 01:34:42,982 --> 01:34:44,250 Robert came home. - Robert arrived 2652 01:34:44,317 --> 01:34:46,319 in the nick of time. 2653 01:34:46,353 --> 01:34:49,289 But Robert himself was quite a character, 2654 01:34:49,322 --> 01:34:50,156 wasn't he, as well? 2655 01:34:50,190 --> 01:34:52,058 I mean, you know. - Well, that moment, 2656 01:34:52,092 --> 01:34:53,993 he was the best thing I'd ever seen seen. 2657 01:34:54,027 --> 01:34:54,694 - Seen. 2658 01:34:54,728 --> 01:34:56,763 (both laugh) 2659 01:34:56,830 --> 01:34:58,798 No, but Jim, I mean, he was, 2660 01:34:58,865 --> 01:35:00,834 he was the same way. 2661 01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,970 And we just kind of went, okay, he's a little weird. 2662 01:35:04,037 --> 01:35:07,040 You know, we just didn't recognize mental illness, 2663 01:35:07,107 --> 01:35:07,607 at that time. 2664 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:08,942 And that's what it was. 2665 01:35:08,975 --> 01:35:12,212 One day George called and said, look, I gotta tell you. 2666 01:35:12,245 --> 01:35:13,313 You're gonna get fired, 2667 01:35:13,346 --> 01:35:14,414 but don't worry. 2668 01:35:14,447 --> 01:35:15,281 It's okay. 2669 01:35:15,315 --> 01:35:16,182 It's a good thing. 2670 01:35:16,216 --> 01:35:17,250 - Oh. - So, 2671 01:35:17,317 --> 01:35:21,554 I waited, for a month, for them to fire me. 2672 01:35:21,621 --> 01:35:22,822 And what I would do is 2673 01:35:22,889 --> 01:35:24,691 I'd go sit in reception a lot with Debbie 2674 01:35:24,758 --> 01:35:26,526 and we'd just talk (Natalie laughs) 2675 01:35:26,626 --> 01:35:27,494 and, 2676 01:35:27,527 --> 01:35:28,661 or I'd just leave - Oh, wow. 2677 01:35:28,728 --> 01:35:29,662 - and go shopping or whatever. 2678 01:35:29,696 --> 01:35:31,398 - Yeah. - I did all kinds of things. 2679 01:35:31,431 --> 01:35:35,935 But I remember it was like, are they ever gonna fire me? 2680 01:35:36,002 --> 01:35:37,003 - Just get on with it. - I mean, 2681 01:35:37,037 --> 01:35:38,204 I just wanna get outta here. 2682 01:35:38,271 --> 01:35:39,105 (Natalie laughs) 2683 01:35:39,172 --> 01:35:42,075 And finally I was sitting with her 2684 01:35:42,142 --> 01:35:42,909 - Yeah. 2685 01:35:42,942 --> 01:35:44,911 - downstairs and her phone rang 2686 01:35:44,944 --> 01:35:46,746 and she said, okay, yeah. 2687 01:35:46,813 --> 01:35:47,580 Yes, she's here. 2688 01:35:47,647 --> 01:35:48,648 Put it down. 2689 01:35:48,682 --> 01:35:51,551 And said, Chris, Peter, who was at 2690 01:35:51,618 --> 01:35:52,652 whatever his name was, - Yeah. 2691 01:35:52,686 --> 01:35:54,454 - wants you upstairs. 2692 01:35:54,521 --> 01:35:55,588 And I went, this is it. 2693 01:35:55,622 --> 01:35:56,656 - It's happening. 2694 01:35:56,723 --> 01:35:57,724 - It's happening. 2695 01:35:57,791 --> 01:35:59,759 - Oh, God. - So, I went upstairs 2696 01:35:59,793 --> 01:36:02,629 and we put on a perfect act. 2697 01:36:02,696 --> 01:36:03,697 I said, 2698 01:36:03,763 --> 01:36:04,964 He said, I'm sorry, I'm gonna, 2699 01:36:04,998 --> 01:36:07,667 I said, oh, my gosh, I'm so surprised. 2700 01:36:07,734 --> 01:36:08,968 Okay. (Natlaie laughs) 2701 01:36:09,035 --> 01:36:13,106 And then I went downstairs and said to your mom, 2702 01:36:13,173 --> 01:36:13,473 finally, 2703 01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:16,343 (both laugh) 2704 01:36:16,409 --> 01:36:18,745 - [Bob] We've moved into the '70s now. 2705 01:36:18,812 --> 01:36:20,714 What's next for you? 2706 01:36:20,747 --> 01:36:22,415 - Peter Asher called me and asked me 2707 01:36:22,449 --> 01:36:25,318 if I would come back to LA to work for him. 2708 01:36:25,352 --> 01:36:29,055 He was managing James Taylor and working with Linda. 2709 01:36:29,089 --> 01:36:33,293 So, I flew back to LA and worked for him for about a year. 2710 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,628 And I don't know how you found me, 2711 01:36:35,695 --> 01:36:36,730 but somehow you found me 2712 01:36:36,796 --> 01:36:38,064 and you rang me and said, 2713 01:36:38,098 --> 01:36:41,267 would you like to come in to Los Angeles and work for me? 2714 01:36:41,334 --> 01:36:42,669 - Right. 2715 01:36:42,736 --> 01:36:44,104 - I must not have been horrible. 2716 01:36:44,137 --> 01:36:45,171 You found (laughs) - No, no. 2717 01:36:45,238 --> 01:36:46,039 I thought you were - You found me. (laughs) 2718 01:36:46,106 --> 01:36:46,840 - a very good assistant. 2719 01:36:46,873 --> 01:36:48,041 No, no. - Okay, thank you. 2720 01:36:48,074 --> 01:36:49,943 - Eric Clapton and Derek and the Dominoes. 2721 01:36:50,010 --> 01:36:53,046 Eric's contribution to the concert for George. 2722 01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:57,984 And on this rare occasion, Eric was warm, 2723 01:36:58,051 --> 01:37:02,022 caring, kind, and just very lovely. 2724 01:37:02,088 --> 01:37:06,192 I did a big reevaluation, 2725 01:37:06,259 --> 01:37:07,794 a temporary reevaluation I'd say. 2726 01:37:07,894 --> 01:37:09,029 (Chris laughs) 2727 01:37:09,062 --> 01:37:11,631 This is the soft side of Eric Clapton. 2728 01:37:11,698 --> 01:37:13,233 I'm glad I've seen it now. 2729 01:37:13,299 --> 01:37:16,503 Because he wasn't the greatest of people. 2730 01:37:16,536 --> 01:37:19,639 - It became very apparent that he was after you. 2731 01:37:20,907 --> 01:37:24,444 And I was upset because of George. 2732 01:37:24,477 --> 01:37:26,780 So, I really got angry at him. 2733 01:37:26,813 --> 01:37:29,382 And at that time, I was spending all my time 2734 01:37:29,416 --> 01:37:32,986 with Derek and the Dominoes doing their house thing. 2735 01:37:33,053 --> 01:37:34,721 Eric asked me to find a flat for them, so I did. 2736 01:37:34,788 --> 01:37:36,189 And then I stayed there 2737 01:37:36,222 --> 01:37:37,891 and I, kind of, helped them with stuff. 2738 01:37:37,924 --> 01:37:39,993 I just would get so angry at him 2739 01:37:40,026 --> 01:37:44,364 that he was daring to come into the relationship 2740 01:37:44,431 --> 01:37:45,799 of you and George. 2741 01:37:45,865 --> 01:37:47,367 That was his best friend, 2742 01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,202 or certainly one of his best friends. 2743 01:37:49,235 --> 01:37:51,938 I think he was very jealous of you. 2744 01:37:51,971 --> 01:37:54,307 - [Pattie] He was very obsessive of me. 2745 01:37:54,374 --> 01:37:57,711 - [Chris] What really did it was his drinking. 2746 01:37:57,744 --> 01:37:58,611 Full stop. 2747 01:37:58,645 --> 01:38:00,080 It was his drinking. 2748 01:38:00,113 --> 01:38:02,415 - I was gonna talk to you about Bangladesh, 2749 01:38:02,482 --> 01:38:06,086 the concert of Bangladesh and how that came about. 2750 01:38:06,152 --> 01:38:08,021 And your involvement in it. 2751 01:38:08,054 --> 01:38:10,256 - As I know it, 2752 01:38:10,323 --> 01:38:13,493 it was Ravi who got in touch with George. 2753 01:38:13,526 --> 01:38:16,696 He wrote a song for me called "Miss O'Dell". 2754 01:38:16,730 --> 01:38:21,468 And the song really, honestly, was about Bangladesh (laughs) 2755 01:38:21,501 --> 01:38:22,068 really. 2756 01:38:22,102 --> 01:38:24,204 That had happened when, 2757 01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:27,841 at the time that George first sang the song for me. 2758 01:38:27,907 --> 01:38:29,476 And then that same summer 2759 01:38:29,542 --> 01:38:32,846 is when he and Ravi decided that a concert, 2760 01:38:32,879 --> 01:38:35,048 charity concert, raising money somehow 2761 01:38:35,115 --> 01:38:37,384 and a concert was the obvious way. 2762 01:38:37,450 --> 01:38:40,954 He and Pattie were staying in LA for the summer. 2763 01:38:40,987 --> 01:38:42,722 We used Leon's office. 2764 01:38:42,756 --> 01:38:45,725 We went through there and got a lot of the musicians 2765 01:38:45,759 --> 01:38:49,963 and a musician named Don Nicks, who was from Memphis, 2766 01:38:49,996 --> 01:38:52,098 got all the background singers. 2767 01:38:52,132 --> 01:38:56,102 It wasn't like it was hard to get musicians to play on it. 2768 01:38:56,169 --> 01:38:58,304 I flew to New York 2769 01:38:58,338 --> 01:39:02,008 and stayed with mostly with Pattie and George. 2770 01:39:02,042 --> 01:39:06,546 We knew how important it was for George 2771 01:39:06,579 --> 01:39:07,147 that this was, 2772 01:39:07,213 --> 01:39:09,115 that this came off right. 2773 01:39:09,149 --> 01:39:10,250 It was really important for him. 2774 01:39:10,283 --> 01:39:11,985 'Cause it's the first thing he, 2775 01:39:12,018 --> 01:39:13,887 first time he'd ever stepped out 2776 01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,022 and done anything like that on his own. 2777 01:39:16,089 --> 01:39:17,957 - And where was it staged? 2778 01:39:18,024 --> 01:39:19,426 - Madison Square Garden. 2779 01:39:19,459 --> 01:39:20,827 It was so full. 2780 01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:21,895 I mean, it was just, 2781 01:39:21,961 --> 01:39:24,130 and the audience loved it. 2782 01:39:24,164 --> 01:39:25,965 I mean, can you imagine, 2783 01:39:26,032 --> 01:39:27,767 they were getting to see 2784 01:39:27,801 --> 01:39:30,637 all these famous musicians on one show. 2785 01:39:31,738 --> 01:39:35,141 How does it feel when someone writes a song about you? 2786 01:39:35,175 --> 01:39:36,576 - Oh, don't be silly. 2787 01:39:36,609 --> 01:39:38,445 (Chris laughs) 2788 01:39:38,478 --> 01:39:40,980 (both laugh) 2789 01:39:41,047 --> 01:39:42,949 - Well, I got, - People always ask me that. 2790 01:39:43,016 --> 01:39:44,017 - Of course they do. - I'm not gonna, 2791 01:39:44,050 --> 01:39:45,051 - They ask me that too. 2792 01:39:45,085 --> 01:39:46,319 - Well, I'm not gonna bullshit you. 2793 01:39:46,386 --> 01:39:49,322 - Well, I just wanna know what you say. 2794 01:39:49,389 --> 01:39:51,291 - Oh. - What do you say? 2795 01:39:51,324 --> 01:39:51,925 - I say 2796 01:39:51,991 --> 01:39:52,859 I'm so flattered. 2797 01:39:52,926 --> 01:39:54,427 (Chris laughs) 2798 01:39:54,461 --> 01:39:55,295 Stop it. 2799 01:39:55,328 --> 01:39:57,464 No, I'm really flattered. 2800 01:39:57,497 --> 01:39:58,498 And (laughs) 2801 01:39:58,531 --> 01:40:00,233 Now I don't know how to speak properly. 2802 01:40:00,266 --> 01:40:02,168 - It's a give no one can ever take away. 2803 01:40:02,202 --> 01:40:03,003 - There we are. - You can use that 2804 01:40:03,036 --> 01:40:03,903 if you want. - Thank you. 2805 01:40:03,970 --> 01:40:04,871 - You're welcome. 2806 01:40:04,938 --> 01:40:07,140 How did you feel 2807 01:40:07,207 --> 01:40:10,110 when you first heard the song "Miss O'Dell"? 2808 01:40:10,176 --> 01:40:11,811 - I must have thought, oh, great. 2809 01:40:11,878 --> 01:40:13,313 How nice. 2810 01:40:13,346 --> 01:40:14,647 Chris is, (Chris laughs) 2811 01:40:14,681 --> 01:40:16,182 It's a song about Chris. 2812 01:40:16,216 --> 01:40:17,283 - I think that's what you said. 2813 01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:19,386 George was playing it when we were in LA, 2814 01:40:19,419 --> 01:40:23,156 at the house you had rented up by Ricky Nelson, 2815 01:40:23,223 --> 01:40:24,924 Ricky and Kris Nelson. 2816 01:40:24,958 --> 01:40:26,126 And he was playing it. 2817 01:40:26,192 --> 01:40:29,696 And you said to me, oh, that's so nice. 2818 01:40:29,729 --> 01:40:31,898 You know what he said to me when he first played it? 2819 01:40:31,965 --> 01:40:32,999 - What? 2820 01:40:33,066 --> 01:40:34,567 - I'm gonna make you famous. 2821 01:40:34,634 --> 01:40:35,368 - Did he? 2822 01:40:35,435 --> 01:40:36,236 - Mm-hm. - Why? 2823 01:40:36,302 --> 01:40:37,037 Did you want to be famous? 2824 01:40:37,070 --> 01:40:38,038 - I didn't. 2825 01:40:38,071 --> 01:40:39,039 He wanted me to be. 2826 01:40:39,072 --> 01:40:39,639 - How funny. 2827 01:40:39,706 --> 01:40:40,340 I wonder why. 2828 01:40:40,407 --> 01:40:41,541 - I don't know. - I wonder, 2829 01:40:41,608 --> 01:40:43,710 I don't understand why people want to be famous. 2830 01:40:43,777 --> 01:40:44,511 I still don't understand it. 2831 01:40:44,577 --> 01:40:46,346 Do you? 2832 01:40:46,379 --> 01:40:46,946 - Um, 2833 01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:48,081 - 'Cause they want attention. 2834 01:40:48,114 --> 01:40:50,784 They had no attention as children. 2835 01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:51,685 - Well, 2836 01:40:51,751 --> 01:40:52,786 it could be that. 2837 01:40:52,852 --> 01:40:54,087 It certainly is, 2838 01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:55,789 make to feel special. 2839 01:40:55,822 --> 01:40:57,424 (film rolls) 2840 01:40:57,457 --> 01:40:59,025 - [Narrator] Now, the definition of fame 2841 01:40:59,092 --> 01:41:01,194 has changed drastically over the decades. 2842 01:41:01,261 --> 01:41:03,096 And back in the '70s and the '60s, 2843 01:41:03,163 --> 01:41:06,733 using the term fame was reserved for A-listers only. 2844 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,068 It was a special hierarchy, 2845 01:41:08,101 --> 01:41:09,469 a special in-crowd. 2846 01:41:09,502 --> 01:41:13,006 And it wasn't as open and as broad as it is now. 2847 01:41:13,073 --> 01:41:14,007 Nowadays, you could, simply, 2848 01:41:14,074 --> 01:41:17,344 upload a TikTok video of your cat or dog 2849 01:41:17,410 --> 01:41:19,913 and by definition, I guess, become famous. 2850 01:41:19,979 --> 01:41:21,247 (upbeat twangy music) 2851 01:41:21,314 --> 01:41:25,618 * Or the cat with most hope to fill the Fillmore * 2852 01:41:25,685 --> 01:41:29,589 - And then someone told me that The Stones, 2853 01:41:29,622 --> 01:41:33,059 Marshall Chess was looking for an assistant 2854 01:41:33,126 --> 01:41:34,728 because The Stones were gonna come 2855 01:41:34,794 --> 01:41:40,000 and spend a year working on "Exile on Main Street". 2856 01:41:40,033 --> 01:41:41,334 When you start with The Beatles, 2857 01:41:41,401 --> 01:41:43,737 your resume looks really good. 2858 01:41:43,770 --> 01:41:45,071 So, go to The Stones. 2859 01:41:45,105 --> 01:41:46,940 That's the next step on the rung, right? 2860 01:41:47,007 --> 01:41:48,008 - [Bob] Yes. 2861 01:41:48,041 --> 01:41:50,176 - So, I went and I interviewed. 2862 01:41:50,210 --> 01:41:52,512 And of course, I knew Mick, which didn't hurt. 2863 01:41:52,579 --> 01:41:56,082 And so, I worked for them for a year in LA. 2864 01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:57,384 I found them houses. 2865 01:41:57,884 --> 01:41:58,718 Um, 2866 01:41:58,752 --> 01:42:02,689 and did lyrics again. (laughs) 2867 01:42:02,722 --> 01:42:03,723 - Yes. 2868 01:42:03,757 --> 01:42:05,058 - I got to always do lyrics. 2869 01:42:05,125 --> 01:42:07,660 And just did all their personal stuff. 2870 01:42:07,727 --> 01:42:11,998 I was their personal assistant, at that time, for the year. 2871 01:42:12,065 --> 01:42:13,500 And then when the tour time came, 2872 01:42:13,566 --> 01:42:16,169 when they were doing the '72 tour, 2873 01:42:16,236 --> 01:42:17,604 I wasn't included 2874 01:42:17,671 --> 01:42:20,206 because I didn't have a job on the tour. 2875 01:42:20,273 --> 01:42:21,875 So, they asked me, 2876 01:42:21,941 --> 01:42:24,611 Mick said, I'll work something out. 2877 01:42:24,644 --> 01:42:26,546 And um, he did. 2878 01:42:26,579 --> 01:42:29,149 He called me up after they'd been on the road a few weeks 2879 01:42:29,215 --> 01:42:32,419 and said, can you bring, 2880 01:42:32,452 --> 01:42:34,254 Would you bring these costumes 2881 01:42:34,287 --> 01:42:37,257 that Ossie Clarke has sent to LA up to Chicago? 2882 01:42:37,323 --> 01:42:39,526 And I went, all right. 2883 01:42:39,559 --> 01:42:42,462 And so, I ended up working on their tour. 2884 01:42:42,529 --> 01:42:44,964 But it was a very different experience 2885 01:42:45,031 --> 01:42:47,033 than working with The Beatles. 2886 01:42:47,067 --> 01:42:49,369 Ronny Wood said to me, once, 2887 01:42:49,402 --> 01:42:51,838 you're a Beatle person, aren't you? 2888 01:42:51,905 --> 01:42:54,074 And I said, yeah, I really am. 2889 01:42:54,107 --> 01:42:56,276 I am more of a Beatle person. 2890 01:42:56,343 --> 01:42:58,111 The Stones were great 2891 01:42:58,178 --> 01:43:00,880 and they were nice and fun, 2892 01:43:00,947 --> 01:43:03,983 but there was just a lot more, 2893 01:43:04,050 --> 01:43:06,019 There were a lot more drugs. 2894 01:43:06,086 --> 01:43:08,388 There was a lot more staying up late. 2895 01:43:08,421 --> 01:43:11,458 It just was a different environment 2896 01:43:11,524 --> 01:43:13,360 than it had been with The Beatles. 2897 01:43:13,393 --> 01:43:16,129 When we went down to Main Street 2898 01:43:16,162 --> 01:43:19,199 and filmed walking along Main Street, 2899 01:43:19,265 --> 01:43:22,702 which was a beautiful memory, just walking around 2900 01:43:22,736 --> 01:43:26,673 and all the homeless people were kind of going, 2901 01:43:26,706 --> 01:43:28,141 is that The Stones? 2902 01:43:28,208 --> 01:43:30,076 And they started following us. 2903 01:43:30,110 --> 01:43:31,678 It was really nice. 2904 01:43:31,711 --> 01:43:33,079 It was kind of like, 2905 01:43:33,113 --> 01:43:34,514 Pattie used to say, 2906 01:43:34,547 --> 01:43:38,118 musicians were like the Pied Piper going through a village 2907 01:43:38,184 --> 01:43:40,353 and everyone just started following them 2908 01:43:40,387 --> 01:43:42,088 to the sound of their music. 2909 01:43:42,155 --> 01:43:43,990 That's what that day felt like. 2910 01:43:44,024 --> 01:43:45,291 It was like, - That's a good, 2911 01:43:45,358 --> 01:43:46,126 - we're just walking along. 2912 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:47,060 - [Bob] That's a really good way 2913 01:43:47,127 --> 01:43:48,128 of putting it, isn't it? 2914 01:43:48,161 --> 01:43:49,029 - Yeah, it was beautiful. 2915 01:43:49,095 --> 01:43:50,463 And then getting in a limo 2916 01:43:50,497 --> 01:43:52,432 and going back to Beverly Hills or Bel Air 2917 01:43:52,499 --> 01:43:54,434 was totally not, (laughs) 2918 01:43:54,501 --> 01:43:56,936 it was totally not in line with what we were doing. 2919 01:43:57,003 --> 01:43:58,705 We'd go to parties. 2920 01:43:58,738 --> 01:43:59,973 It was a lot of fun. 2921 01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,641 On the tour, that was the problem. 2922 01:44:01,708 --> 01:44:05,612 I didn't, actually, have a specific tour job. 2923 01:44:05,645 --> 01:44:09,115 That was the first tour I ever went on, 2924 01:44:09,182 --> 01:44:10,316 1972. 2925 01:44:10,350 --> 01:44:13,153 And, basically, Mick and Keith just said, 2926 01:44:13,186 --> 01:44:14,421 well, you just take care of us. 2927 01:44:14,487 --> 01:44:17,090 So, if they had laundry, (laughs) 2928 01:44:17,123 --> 01:44:17,924 cleaning, 2929 01:44:17,991 --> 01:44:18,758 I'd pick it up in the night 2930 01:44:18,825 --> 01:44:21,795 and it would come back to my room. 2931 01:44:21,861 --> 01:44:24,097 Or if they needed something, I would do that. 2932 01:44:24,164 --> 01:44:26,099 I don't really know why I was there, 2933 01:44:26,166 --> 01:44:27,267 come to think of it. 2934 01:44:27,334 --> 01:44:27,967 - It sounds exhausting 2935 01:44:28,068 --> 01:44:29,402 (Chris laughs) 2936 01:44:29,436 --> 01:44:34,040 And, kind of, exhausting, stressful, exhilarating, 2937 01:44:34,074 --> 01:44:35,175 all at the same time. 2938 01:44:35,208 --> 01:44:36,609 - It was definitely exhilarating 2939 01:44:36,676 --> 01:44:37,610 because, 2940 01:44:37,677 --> 01:44:39,913 I mean, first of all, at every other night 2941 01:44:39,979 --> 01:44:42,349 or every couple nights, you got to see The Stones play, 2942 01:44:42,415 --> 01:44:43,950 which was pretty wonderful. 2943 01:44:45,452 --> 01:44:46,953 And traveling with them, 2944 01:44:47,020 --> 01:44:48,855 they had their own plane. 2945 01:44:48,922 --> 01:44:53,126 And there were always these people like Truman Capote 2946 01:44:53,159 --> 01:44:55,929 popping up on the tour, all of a sudden. 2947 01:44:55,962 --> 01:44:57,597 And that was pretty interesting. 2948 01:44:57,664 --> 01:45:02,035 But it was extremely exhausting and stressful. 2949 01:45:02,068 --> 01:45:03,303 The tour group, 2950 01:45:03,370 --> 01:45:06,439 the people who were running the tour, quite rightly, 2951 01:45:06,473 --> 01:45:09,709 wanted to get rid of all of the, kind of, riffraff, 2952 01:45:09,743 --> 01:45:12,112 because there were a lot of people traveling with us 2953 01:45:12,178 --> 01:45:13,413 that weren't on the tour, 2954 01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:15,415 that weren't part of the tour. 2955 01:45:15,482 --> 01:45:17,484 And so, they had a big meeting 2956 01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:19,586 to decide who was gonna have to leave. 2957 01:45:19,652 --> 01:45:24,891 And Mick and Keith and Bill made it very clear 2958 01:45:24,924 --> 01:45:26,726 that I was not one of them 2959 01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:30,263 because all I was doing at that point was their assistant. 2960 01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:31,297 I didn't have anything to do 2961 01:45:31,364 --> 01:45:34,200 with the actual tour organization. 2962 01:45:34,234 --> 01:45:35,568 And they said, nope. 2963 01:45:35,635 --> 01:45:39,239 And I went home thinking maybe I, 2964 01:45:39,272 --> 01:45:40,607 because we had a break, 2965 01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,243 and I thought, I don't think I will go back on the tour. 2966 01:45:43,309 --> 01:45:45,345 It's just a little bit too stressful. 2967 01:45:45,412 --> 01:45:49,115 And you know, I don't feel wanted. (laughs) 2968 01:45:49,182 --> 01:45:50,684 And so, I didn't. 2969 01:45:50,717 --> 01:45:52,352 When it was time to go back, I didn't. 2970 01:45:52,385 --> 01:45:53,720 And Keith called me, 2971 01:45:53,753 --> 01:45:55,588 I think the second night they were back on tour 2972 01:45:55,655 --> 01:45:57,390 and said, why aren't you here? 2973 01:45:57,457 --> 01:45:59,993 And I said, I just didn't feel like I belonged there. 2974 01:46:00,026 --> 01:46:01,695 And he said, yes, you do. 2975 01:46:01,728 --> 01:46:03,830 Get on a plane, you're coming back. 2976 01:46:03,863 --> 01:46:08,234 That's a kindness that you would never expect 2977 01:46:08,268 --> 01:46:09,636 from either of them. 2978 01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:12,205 And in fact, Mick was the reason I got on the tour 2979 01:46:12,272 --> 01:46:13,707 because I wasn't meant to be on it. 2980 01:46:13,773 --> 01:46:16,776 I was their assistant in LA 2981 01:46:16,810 --> 01:46:21,214 and he called me up after about a week and said, 2982 01:46:21,281 --> 01:46:22,749 could you go to the airport, 2983 01:46:22,782 --> 01:46:25,652 go to duty free, get my stuff out of, 2984 01:46:25,719 --> 01:46:29,456 you know, their costumes that Ossie Clark did, 2985 01:46:29,522 --> 01:46:30,657 and can you pick them up? 2986 01:46:30,724 --> 01:46:32,492 And I said, okay, where shall I ship them? 2987 01:46:32,525 --> 01:46:36,563 And he said, just bring them to Chicago. 2988 01:46:36,596 --> 01:46:37,464 You can just bring them. 2989 01:46:37,530 --> 01:46:39,899 So, that got me on the tour. 2990 01:46:39,933 --> 01:46:42,035 - I wanted to ask you about Mick Jagger. 2991 01:46:42,068 --> 01:46:43,770 I heard he was a massive flirt. 2992 01:46:44,671 --> 01:46:49,776 - Well, of course. (laughs) 2993 01:46:49,809 --> 01:46:51,978 Wouldn't you be if you were Mick Jagger? 2994 01:46:52,012 --> 01:46:52,779 - Yes, I would be. 2995 01:46:53,079 --> 01:46:53,747 Yeah. 2996 01:46:53,813 --> 01:46:56,883 - I totally got into the drugs 2997 01:46:56,916 --> 01:46:57,851 and the alcohol. 2998 01:46:57,884 --> 01:46:58,752 I didn't, 2999 01:46:58,785 --> 01:47:00,120 nobody had to push me into that one. 3000 01:47:01,488 --> 01:47:04,324 So, at The Stones, it was a bad time for me 3001 01:47:04,357 --> 01:47:06,593 because by the end of the tour, 3002 01:47:06,626 --> 01:47:09,062 by the time I got home, 3003 01:47:09,095 --> 01:47:10,597 I had to quit everything. 3004 01:47:10,663 --> 01:47:11,631 I had to dry out. 3005 01:47:11,664 --> 01:47:14,567 But at that time, nobody went to AA 3006 01:47:14,601 --> 01:47:18,638 and nobody really talked about, like rehab or doing, 3007 01:47:18,705 --> 01:47:20,340 well, there was no rehab, 3008 01:47:20,407 --> 01:47:22,442 doing anything to kind of stay clean. 3009 01:47:22,475 --> 01:47:24,511 So, it was not easy. 3010 01:47:24,544 --> 01:47:27,380 And I couldn't stay that way very long. 3011 01:47:27,447 --> 01:47:30,583 I think a year I did with no alcohol and drugs. 3012 01:47:30,617 --> 01:47:31,951 - [Bob] Yeah. 3013 01:47:31,985 --> 01:47:35,422 - But it was exhausting, 3014 01:47:35,488 --> 01:47:38,391 but exhilaratingly exhausting. 3015 01:47:38,458 --> 01:47:39,125 - It really was a time of, 3016 01:47:39,726 --> 01:47:40,326 Right. 3017 01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,062 Let's see how far we can go. 3018 01:47:42,128 --> 01:47:42,829 - Mm-hm. 3019 01:47:42,896 --> 01:47:46,032 - Was that the way that you saw it? 3020 01:47:46,099 --> 01:47:47,100 - Yeah, I think so. 3021 01:47:47,133 --> 01:47:48,301 There were no boundaries. 3022 01:47:48,335 --> 01:47:49,135 - No. 3023 01:47:49,202 --> 01:47:52,005 When I was spending time in LA 3024 01:47:52,072 --> 01:47:53,707 in the mid 1970s, 3025 01:47:53,740 --> 01:47:56,576 and I spent a lot of time in LA, at that point, 3026 01:47:56,643 --> 01:47:58,645 and was staying quite often, 3027 01:47:58,678 --> 01:48:00,613 if not on Sunset Strip, 3028 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,883 but usually, at the Continental Hyatt House. 3029 01:48:03,950 --> 01:48:06,519 - Oh know, it, well. - Just complete madness. 3030 01:48:06,553 --> 01:48:07,454 - [Chris] The Riot house. 3031 01:48:07,487 --> 01:48:08,588 - The Riot house. 3032 01:48:08,655 --> 01:48:11,124 And people referred, 3033 01:48:11,157 --> 01:48:14,461 there were a lot of girls that, basically, 3034 01:48:14,494 --> 01:48:17,030 almost kind of lived at the Hyatt House. 3035 01:48:17,063 --> 01:48:20,533 So, they would be there with a band when they were in. 3036 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,435 Let's say Led Zeppelin would be there 3037 01:48:22,502 --> 01:48:24,704 And Led Zeppelin, 3038 01:48:24,771 --> 01:48:27,340 the whole Led Zeppelin entourage would move out. 3039 01:48:27,374 --> 01:48:29,042 The Deep Purple entourage would move in. 3040 01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:31,177 - They'd move in with them. - The girls would still, 3041 01:48:31,211 --> 01:48:34,714 and they'd just kind of reappoint themselves into, 3042 01:48:34,781 --> 01:48:37,650 Now those girls, obviously, 3043 01:48:37,684 --> 01:48:40,620 the word that described them, at the time, was groupies. 3044 01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,723 The word groupie, at the time, was not a derogatory, 3045 01:48:43,790 --> 01:48:45,959 necessarily a derogatory, 3046 01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,796 certainly not in my mind it wasn't, anyway. 3047 01:48:49,829 --> 01:48:52,999 But some people did refer to you, at the time, didn't they? 3048 01:48:53,033 --> 01:48:53,833 That was the word. - Not then. 3049 01:48:53,867 --> 01:48:55,568 So, it was when I wrote my book 3050 01:48:55,602 --> 01:48:56,503 that it's - Yeah. 3051 01:48:56,569 --> 01:48:57,470 - the first time I ever heard that. 3052 01:48:57,537 --> 01:48:58,772 - Yeah, that's right. - Yeah. 3053 01:48:58,838 --> 01:48:59,939 Yeah. - So, what was your, you know, 3054 01:49:00,006 --> 01:49:04,277 what was your feeling about being grouped? 3055 01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:07,347 - Well, it, actually, I had to really think about it. 3056 01:49:07,380 --> 01:49:08,882 Because, first of all, I was shocked 3057 01:49:08,915 --> 01:49:13,319 that they would still use the word in, 3058 01:49:13,353 --> 01:49:16,389 what was it, 2009 or something? 3059 01:49:16,456 --> 01:49:17,524 - Yes, yes. - I thought, really? 3060 01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:19,659 We haven't passed that yet? 3061 01:49:19,693 --> 01:49:21,227 But then I had to really think about it. 3062 01:49:21,261 --> 01:49:24,731 And I thought, well, I never considered myself a groupie. 3063 01:49:24,764 --> 01:49:26,132 I felt like I was a work, 3064 01:49:26,166 --> 01:49:27,300 I worked, 3065 01:49:27,367 --> 01:49:28,601 I worked my way through all of it. 3066 01:49:28,668 --> 01:49:32,505 And there were, absolutely, self-declared groupies. 3067 01:49:32,572 --> 01:49:34,074 I mean, Pamela Des Barres. 3068 01:49:34,140 --> 01:49:35,241 - Yeah. - You know, 3069 01:49:35,308 --> 01:49:38,645 many of these girls said, that's what I am. 3070 01:49:38,712 --> 01:49:43,016 And so, I had to respect that. 3071 01:49:43,083 --> 01:49:48,054 And yet, at the same time, felt slightly angry 3072 01:49:48,088 --> 01:49:51,091 that they had referred to me as that. 3073 01:49:51,124 --> 01:49:52,759 But now, you know, my, 3074 01:49:52,792 --> 01:49:54,327 the way I dealt with it, I said, 3075 01:49:54,394 --> 01:49:55,628 if it hadn't been for the women, 3076 01:49:55,695 --> 01:49:57,464 the men would never have made it anyway. 3077 01:49:57,530 --> 01:49:58,598 - Yes. - So, we played our 3078 01:49:58,631 --> 01:49:59,799 - True. - part somehow. 3079 01:49:59,833 --> 01:50:01,468 - And it, you know, it does sound ridiculous 3080 01:50:01,534 --> 01:50:03,336 to say this now, 3081 01:50:03,370 --> 01:50:04,804 but they did have a status. 3082 01:50:04,871 --> 01:50:05,505 - Mm-hm. 3083 01:50:05,538 --> 01:50:06,706 - They really did have a status. 3084 01:50:06,806 --> 01:50:08,808 And particularly, in Los Angeles, which, you know, 3085 01:50:08,875 --> 01:50:10,210 - Particularly - Yeah. 3086 01:50:10,276 --> 01:50:12,112 Where it was rock and roll city. 3087 01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:17,183 Those women and those girls were parts of the whole, 3088 01:50:17,250 --> 01:50:19,619 you know, everything that was going on. 3089 01:50:19,686 --> 01:50:21,354 They had their status. 3090 01:50:21,388 --> 01:50:23,323 They had their recognition. 3091 01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:24,324 You know, it was an ama, 3092 01:50:25,892 --> 01:50:26,693 That, 3093 01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,896 With all the other stuff, that part of it, 3094 01:50:29,963 --> 01:50:33,566 that was part of the phenomenon of the time. 3095 01:50:33,633 --> 01:50:35,001 - And there's something, you know, 3096 01:50:35,035 --> 01:50:38,638 it was only recently someone sent me an article 3097 01:50:38,672 --> 01:50:40,173 that called the, 3098 01:50:40,206 --> 01:50:44,778 you know, like the top groupies of that period of time. 3099 01:50:44,811 --> 01:50:46,179 And it included me. 3100 01:50:46,246 --> 01:50:47,147 Thank you. (Bob laughs) 3101 01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:49,449 And Pamela Des Barres 3102 01:50:49,516 --> 01:50:50,784 and the ones you'd expect. 3103 01:50:50,850 --> 01:50:53,653 But it also had Pattie, Marianne Faithful. 3104 01:50:53,687 --> 01:50:54,521 - Yeah. - And I'm like, 3105 01:50:54,587 --> 01:50:55,555 wow. - Wow. 3106 01:50:55,588 --> 01:50:56,790 Yeah. - So, if you 3107 01:50:56,856 --> 01:50:59,959 were just associated and married to or anything, 3108 01:50:59,993 --> 01:51:02,128 you still got called a groupie. 3109 01:51:02,195 --> 01:51:03,763 - You had to break away and stop for a moment 3110 01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:05,632 and draw your breath. 3111 01:51:05,665 --> 01:51:06,900 - I did. 3112 01:51:06,933 --> 01:51:09,836 And I went to work for a friend of mine in LA, 3113 01:51:09,869 --> 01:51:12,005 who had a travel agency, 3114 01:51:12,038 --> 01:51:15,141 that I had met through Peter Asher, actually. 3115 01:51:15,208 --> 01:51:18,745 And I went and worked for her for a year doing touring. 3116 01:51:18,778 --> 01:51:21,848 And we came up with these itineraries 3117 01:51:21,881 --> 01:51:23,783 nobody had done before. 3118 01:51:23,850 --> 01:51:25,752 So, we took it that little step further 3119 01:51:25,819 --> 01:51:27,187 and developed itineraries, 3120 01:51:27,253 --> 01:51:28,655 so when a band would go into town, 3121 01:51:28,755 --> 01:51:31,458 they'd know all of the restaurants that were close. 3122 01:51:31,524 --> 01:51:32,826 They'd, you know, 3123 01:51:32,859 --> 01:51:35,995 all these different things that we would keep adding to it 3124 01:51:36,029 --> 01:51:37,430 to make it better and better. 3125 01:51:37,464 --> 01:51:38,798 And from that, 3126 01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:42,836 I got a call from Barry Imhoff, 3127 01:51:42,902 --> 01:51:44,971 who worked for Bill Graham in LA, 3128 01:51:45,038 --> 01:51:46,673 and asked me if I wanted to go out 3129 01:51:46,706 --> 01:51:49,042 on the Crosby Stills Nash & Young tour. 3130 01:51:49,075 --> 01:51:51,478 That tour was, really, the first time 3131 01:51:51,544 --> 01:51:56,016 that I had the responsibility of a lot. 3132 01:51:56,049 --> 01:51:57,817 The other time, with The Stones, 3133 01:51:57,884 --> 01:52:00,887 I really only had Mick and Keith to worry about. 3134 01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:02,922 But this was like, everybody. 3135 01:52:02,989 --> 01:52:05,492 And it was traveling with four bands, basically, 3136 01:52:05,525 --> 01:52:06,359 - Yes. - because they 3137 01:52:06,426 --> 01:52:08,094 were so separated. 3138 01:52:08,128 --> 01:52:08,895 - Yes. 3139 01:52:08,928 --> 01:52:10,430 Different management, presumably. 3140 01:52:11,731 --> 01:52:15,602 Different units of people with each one and 3141 01:52:15,635 --> 01:52:16,903 - Different, 3142 01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:18,605 They all had their own kind of people. 3143 01:52:18,672 --> 01:52:20,006 - Yeah. 3144 01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:21,941 - David, who would've been the first to admit it, 3145 01:52:22,008 --> 01:52:23,710 was a real pain in the neck 3146 01:52:23,777 --> 01:52:27,047 because he had to have cross ventilation. 3147 01:52:27,113 --> 01:52:29,015 These are the things you learn. (laughs) 3148 01:52:29,082 --> 01:52:32,719 He had to have cross ventilation in every hotel room. 3149 01:52:32,752 --> 01:52:36,056 That is not easy, to get cross ventilation. 3150 01:52:36,089 --> 01:52:37,924 David didn't like the car he got 3151 01:52:37,957 --> 01:52:39,726 or he was upset or something, 3152 01:52:39,793 --> 01:52:41,561 so he kicked, (laughs) 3153 01:52:41,594 --> 01:52:43,997 he kicked the wall and broke his toe. 3154 01:52:44,064 --> 01:52:45,699 - Very dynamically difficult though, 3155 01:52:45,732 --> 01:52:46,800 there, isn't it? (Chris sighs) 3156 01:52:46,866 --> 01:52:50,770 So, it's like herding cats, I would imagine. 3157 01:52:50,804 --> 01:52:51,604 - Oh, yeah. 3158 01:52:51,638 --> 01:52:52,505 - Yeah. 3159 01:52:52,539 --> 01:52:53,340 - Oh, totally. 3160 01:52:53,406 --> 01:52:54,741 And that was my job. 3161 01:52:54,774 --> 01:52:56,042 - [Bob] Santana and Earth Wind & Fire. 3162 01:52:56,109 --> 01:52:57,811 - [Chris] That was my European experience. 3163 01:52:57,844 --> 01:52:59,012 - Yeah. - Isn't that 3164 01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:00,447 an amazing combination 3165 01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:01,448 to get for a takeoff? - It is. 3166 01:53:01,514 --> 01:53:03,383 Well, he was early in Earth, Wind & Fire's career, 3167 01:53:03,416 --> 01:53:04,384 presumably, 3168 01:53:04,417 --> 01:53:06,586 and they hadn't had the big hits yet, had they? 3169 01:53:06,653 --> 01:53:08,088 - [Chris] Santana was huge. 3170 01:53:08,121 --> 01:53:08,955 - [Bob] Santana was huge, yeah. 3171 01:53:09,022 --> 01:53:10,123 - Huge in Europe. 3172 01:53:10,190 --> 01:53:12,025 So, they brought him along. 3173 01:53:12,058 --> 01:53:15,562 He is one of the nicest people I've ever met. 3174 01:53:15,595 --> 01:53:17,030 Just so down to earth. 3175 01:53:17,097 --> 01:53:18,531 He certainly was then. 3176 01:53:18,598 --> 01:53:21,301 It was a really interesting tour 3177 01:53:21,334 --> 01:53:23,803 because I was the advanced person on that. 3178 01:53:23,870 --> 01:53:27,140 And I remember we were going to Yugoslavia, 3179 01:53:27,207 --> 01:53:28,475 Zagreb. 3180 01:53:28,508 --> 01:53:31,311 I'm gonna go get the room keys and get everything together, 3181 01:53:31,344 --> 01:53:32,812 'cause that was my job. 3182 01:53:32,879 --> 01:53:34,180 And I went in. 3183 01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:37,117 Everybody got the crew, sort of, into their rooms 3184 01:53:37,183 --> 01:53:40,487 and the man at the desk, (laughs) 3185 01:53:40,553 --> 01:53:42,355 These things stick with me. 3186 01:53:42,422 --> 01:53:44,190 The man at the desk said, 3187 01:53:44,257 --> 01:53:48,395 how do you like the hodell Miss O'Dell? (laughs) 3188 01:53:48,461 --> 01:53:49,496 I said, those are things 3189 01:53:49,529 --> 01:53:50,930 you'll never forget. - Oh, that's lovely, isn't it? 3190 01:53:50,997 --> 01:53:51,765 Say it again. - That was so sweet. 3191 01:53:51,831 --> 01:53:52,866 - That just sounded great. 3192 01:53:52,899 --> 01:53:54,300 - How do you like the hodell Miss O'Dell? 3193 01:53:54,334 --> 01:53:55,635 (Bob laughs) 3194 01:53:55,702 --> 01:53:56,436 (Bob claps) 3195 01:53:56,469 --> 01:53:57,270 - That's brilliant. 3196 01:53:57,337 --> 01:53:58,138 I love that. 3197 01:53:58,171 --> 01:54:00,340 - Yeah, those moments stand out. 3198 01:54:00,373 --> 01:54:04,244 When we got to London, we went to Eric and Pattie's house 3199 01:54:04,277 --> 01:54:07,514 because Eric wanted to see him and Pattie wanted to see me. 3200 01:54:07,547 --> 01:54:11,217 So, we went to Eric and Pattie's and spent the night there. 3201 01:54:11,251 --> 01:54:15,188 And it was so nice watching the two of them 3202 01:54:15,255 --> 01:54:18,958 because they really, really admired each other. 3203 01:54:19,025 --> 01:54:22,629 Then I worked with Fleetwood Mac, Phil Collins, Genesis. 3204 01:54:22,662 --> 01:54:24,531 Both Phil and Genesis. 3205 01:54:25,799 --> 01:54:27,000 Led Zeppelin. 3206 01:54:27,033 --> 01:54:30,170 (Led Zeppelin plays) 3207 01:54:38,244 --> 01:54:40,847 So, whoever I didn't get in those '70s, 3208 01:54:40,914 --> 01:54:42,048 I got in the early '80s. 3209 01:54:42,082 --> 01:54:43,483 - [Bob] In the early '80s. 3210 01:54:43,550 --> 01:54:44,084 - Yeah. 3211 01:54:44,150 --> 01:54:45,051 - And so, Led Zeppelin then. 3212 01:54:45,085 --> 01:54:47,821 Your Led Zeppelin experience. 3213 01:54:47,887 --> 01:54:49,723 - Oh, it was really short. 3214 01:54:49,756 --> 01:54:50,724 - Short. 3215 01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:51,858 Yeah, yeah. - It was really short. 3216 01:54:51,891 --> 01:54:53,293 I think they were only, actually, doing 3217 01:54:53,326 --> 01:54:56,796 a concert in Frankfurt that we worked with them. 3218 01:54:56,830 --> 01:54:57,964 - Yeah. - And then we went 3219 01:54:58,031 --> 01:55:01,701 out to a club afterwards. 3220 01:55:01,768 --> 01:55:02,869 A lot of clubbing. 3221 01:55:02,936 --> 01:55:04,004 - Bob Dylan, 3222 01:55:04,804 --> 01:55:05,972 (Bob laughs) 3223 01:55:06,006 --> 01:55:08,074 I mean, the list as we are walking, 3224 01:55:08,141 --> 01:55:11,077 as we are walking our way through your life, 3225 01:55:11,111 --> 01:55:13,046 the list of people that you've, 3226 01:55:13,113 --> 01:55:14,280 not just worked with, 3227 01:55:14,381 --> 01:55:17,884 into whose life you've been woven into the fabric, 3228 01:55:17,951 --> 01:55:18,818 as it were, 3229 01:55:18,852 --> 01:55:20,220 you know, of their lives. 3230 01:55:20,253 --> 01:55:21,988 And it's the same with Bob Dylan. 3231 01:55:22,055 --> 01:55:23,690 - I mean, I don't think I appreciated. 3232 01:55:23,723 --> 01:55:26,259 He was not one of my favorites, 3233 01:55:26,326 --> 01:55:28,795 as The Beatles, the Stones. 3234 01:55:28,862 --> 01:55:29,729 That, 3235 01:55:29,796 --> 01:55:31,131 The holy trinity, I call it. 3236 01:55:31,164 --> 01:55:32,165 - Yes. (laughs) - I worked with 3237 01:55:32,232 --> 01:55:34,300 the holy trinity of rock and roll. 3238 01:55:34,367 --> 01:55:36,036 - [Simon] What was your impression 3239 01:55:36,102 --> 01:55:37,671 of Bob as a personality? 3240 01:55:37,704 --> 01:55:40,874 - He was easy to be around. 3241 01:55:40,907 --> 01:55:43,543 When you're on tour with a group of people, 3242 01:55:43,610 --> 01:55:45,945 they become your whole world. 3243 01:55:46,012 --> 01:55:49,716 You forget about everything else around you. 3244 01:55:49,749 --> 01:55:50,984 And when you're touring, 3245 01:55:51,051 --> 01:55:53,586 even if good friends come on and join, 3246 01:55:53,620 --> 01:55:55,789 it's like they don't fit. 3247 01:55:55,855 --> 01:55:58,058 You've become so acclimated 3248 01:55:58,124 --> 01:56:00,794 to this one little group of people. 3249 01:56:00,827 --> 01:56:04,631 And that was, definitely, true with Bob. 3250 01:56:04,664 --> 01:56:07,100 I thought he was easy to be with. 3251 01:56:07,133 --> 01:56:11,104 I thought it was one of the easier tours I'd ever done. 3252 01:56:11,171 --> 01:56:12,472 - Some women have, sort of, said 3253 01:56:12,505 --> 01:56:15,508 that he has a very seductive quality to him. 3254 01:56:15,575 --> 01:56:16,276 Did you find that? 3255 01:56:17,177 --> 01:56:19,512 - I think he's like the, 3256 01:56:19,579 --> 01:56:23,083 I've described him in my book as like the bad boy 3257 01:56:23,116 --> 01:56:24,484 that you weren't supposed, 3258 01:56:24,551 --> 01:56:27,153 in high school, that you weren't supposed to hang out with. 3259 01:56:27,220 --> 01:56:29,055 He felt like that. 3260 01:56:29,122 --> 01:56:30,757 - He was kind of James Dean. 3261 01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:33,126 - Yeah, he was kind of James Dean. 3262 01:56:33,193 --> 01:56:34,994 But I met his mother. 3263 01:56:35,028 --> 01:56:37,063 (both laugh) 3264 01:56:37,130 --> 01:56:38,365 Once you meet the mother, 3265 01:56:38,398 --> 01:56:40,900 you know what you're really dealing with. 3266 01:56:40,934 --> 01:56:42,869 And he had the sweetest mother. 3267 01:56:42,936 --> 01:56:45,672 I mean, totally normal. 3268 01:56:45,739 --> 01:56:48,375 - So, do you think Bob Dylan's act is an act? 3269 01:56:48,408 --> 01:56:50,176 Or do you think that really is part of his 3270 01:56:50,210 --> 01:56:51,244 - No. - real persona? 3271 01:56:51,311 --> 01:56:52,512 - I think it really is who he is. 3272 01:56:52,579 --> 01:56:53,747 I mean, who knows? 3273 01:56:53,813 --> 01:56:54,781 I would not be, 3274 01:56:54,814 --> 01:56:56,483 I wouldn't even begin to step out 3275 01:56:56,516 --> 01:56:58,418 and say I knew what he was really like. 3276 01:56:58,485 --> 01:56:59,886 I didn't. 3277 01:56:59,953 --> 01:57:03,723 But I knew what my interaction with him was. 3278 01:57:03,790 --> 01:57:07,360 I was with Santana and Earth, Wind & Fire in Europe. 3279 01:57:07,394 --> 01:57:11,898 And Barry Imhoff had split with Bill Graham. 3280 01:57:11,931 --> 01:57:13,733 And Barry called me, 3281 01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:15,035 I was in Paris, I think, 3282 01:57:15,068 --> 01:57:16,703 and said, would you, 3283 01:57:16,736 --> 01:57:20,006 can you just come to New York now and do the Dylan tour? 3284 01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:21,307 - [Bob] So, is this "Rolling Thunder"? 3285 01:57:21,341 --> 01:57:22,509 - This is "Rolling Thunder". 3286 01:57:22,542 --> 01:57:23,343 - [Bob] Yeah, yeah. 3287 01:57:23,376 --> 01:57:24,444 - So, it, 3288 01:57:24,511 --> 01:57:27,280 I think there were only a little core of us 3289 01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:29,115 who knew the whole tour. 3290 01:57:29,149 --> 01:57:31,017 And so, we started working on that, 3291 01:57:31,051 --> 01:57:32,786 getting the hotels and everything set up. 3292 01:57:32,852 --> 01:57:34,554 They started rehearsing. 3293 01:57:34,621 --> 01:57:36,990 Then they were gonna do a film too. 3294 01:57:37,057 --> 01:57:38,458 Talk about overextending. 3295 01:57:38,525 --> 01:57:42,562 In some ways, it was the perfect thing for him to do 3296 01:57:42,595 --> 01:57:45,665 because it was like a traveling circus. 3297 01:57:45,699 --> 01:57:46,733 It really was. 3298 01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,504 And people just kept coming on, staying for a while. 3299 01:57:51,571 --> 01:57:52,572 Everybody was there. 3300 01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:54,040 It was exhausting. 3301 01:57:54,107 --> 01:57:55,208 - [Bob] It was like a train 3302 01:57:55,275 --> 01:57:57,110 with loads and loads of coaches, wasn't it? 3303 01:57:57,143 --> 01:57:58,311 - Oh, yes. - And people would get on 3304 01:57:58,378 --> 01:58:00,113 at certain points and then get off again 3305 01:58:00,180 --> 01:58:02,749 at the station further down the line. 3306 01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:05,618 And so, the people on and off 3307 01:58:05,685 --> 01:58:09,122 that came and appeared on stage, at various moments, 3308 01:58:09,155 --> 01:58:09,989 It was incredible, wasn't it? 3309 01:58:10,023 --> 01:58:12,158 - It was an amazing tour. 3310 01:58:12,225 --> 01:58:14,294 And, of course, Bob started wearing white face. 3311 01:58:14,361 --> 01:58:15,061 - Yes. 3312 01:58:15,128 --> 01:58:16,396 - Through all of it. (Bob laughs) 3313 01:58:16,463 --> 01:58:20,200 And then everybody else started wearing the same thing. 3314 01:58:20,233 --> 01:58:23,269 And he was really fun to watch on stage. 3315 01:58:23,303 --> 01:58:27,474 Every tour I did, I had a few songs that were my favorite. 3316 01:58:27,507 --> 01:58:30,176 And his, I had "One More Cup of Coffee", 3317 01:58:30,243 --> 01:58:31,678 a couple of them in a row. 3318 01:58:31,745 --> 01:58:36,282 And it was like, I would go out from backstage 3319 01:58:36,316 --> 01:58:37,384 and sit and watch it. 3320 01:58:38,418 --> 01:58:41,154 Oh, he was amazing to watch. 3321 01:58:41,221 --> 01:58:45,392 And today I appreciate what a wonderful poet he is. 3322 01:58:45,425 --> 01:58:48,395 Then I was supposed to do the second Dylan tour, 3323 01:58:48,461 --> 01:58:51,197 which was gonna be the west coast. 3324 01:58:51,264 --> 01:58:53,700 And I asked for more money. 3325 01:58:53,767 --> 01:58:56,636 I said, well, I think I should be getting more money. 3326 01:58:56,670 --> 01:58:58,304 And they said, oh, no. 3327 01:58:58,338 --> 01:58:59,305 We're not gonna pay you. 3328 01:58:59,339 --> 01:59:01,141 And that's when I started realizing, 3329 01:59:01,207 --> 01:59:03,643 you gotta stick up for yourself in this place. 3330 01:59:03,710 --> 01:59:07,614 And I think I asked for 750 a week 3331 01:59:07,681 --> 01:59:10,216 and I'd been making 500. 3332 01:59:10,250 --> 01:59:13,053 So, I said, well then I'm not going. 3333 01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,955 So, I didn't go on the second tour when it first started. 3334 01:59:16,022 --> 01:59:18,792 And then Barry called me, 3335 01:59:18,825 --> 01:59:19,759 - They began to realize 3336 01:59:19,793 --> 01:59:20,794 - three weeks later - what they were missing. 3337 01:59:20,827 --> 01:59:21,628 Yes. (laughs) - and said, 3338 01:59:21,695 --> 01:59:23,029 do you think you can come back. (laughs) 3339 01:59:23,096 --> 01:59:25,331 And I went, 750? 3340 01:59:25,365 --> 01:59:26,633 - Yeah. - He went, okay. 3341 01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:28,702 Okay, 750 and per diem. 3342 01:59:28,735 --> 01:59:30,570 - [Narrator] Now, I know what you may be thinking. 3343 01:59:30,637 --> 01:59:31,771 750 a week? 3344 01:59:31,805 --> 01:59:32,772 That's not that much money. 3345 01:59:32,806 --> 01:59:35,775 My unemployment check last week was about 750. 3346 01:59:35,842 --> 01:59:37,243 And for those of you out there, 3347 01:59:37,310 --> 01:59:38,578 let me just enlighten you a little bit. 3348 01:59:38,611 --> 01:59:42,215 750 in 1970 is equivalent to the purchasing power 3349 01:59:42,248 --> 01:59:46,619 of about $5,897.73 today. 3350 01:59:47,821 --> 01:59:49,923 - [Simon] Chris, do you have any idea who this guy, 3351 01:59:49,989 --> 01:59:54,828 who's randomly doing narration on this film, actually is? 3352 01:59:54,894 --> 01:59:57,230 - I have no idea. 3353 01:59:57,297 --> 02:00:02,769 And by that time, I'd become known as a female 3354 02:00:02,836 --> 02:00:03,903 working with females. 3355 02:00:03,970 --> 02:00:06,506 So, I went on the road with Linda Ronstadt after that. 3356 02:00:06,606 --> 02:00:08,475 Peter hired me to go out, - Oh. 3357 02:00:08,541 --> 02:00:09,442 - with her. - What a lovely, 3358 02:00:09,509 --> 02:00:11,111 lovely person. - She's wonderful. 3359 02:00:11,144 --> 02:00:12,078 And we've kept in touch. 3360 02:00:12,112 --> 02:00:13,513 In fact, I went on the road, 3361 02:00:13,580 --> 02:00:18,685 the last time I went on the road was in 2004 with her. 3362 02:00:18,718 --> 02:00:19,285 - Wow. - Again, 3363 02:00:19,352 --> 02:00:21,421 for two separate concert, 3364 02:00:21,454 --> 02:00:24,190 not concerts, but two little tours. 3365 02:00:24,257 --> 02:00:26,426 And by that time I went, 3366 02:00:26,459 --> 02:00:30,263 I was getting my Master's Degree in counseling 3367 02:00:30,330 --> 02:00:32,766 and she said, please go on the road. 3368 02:00:32,799 --> 02:00:35,869 And I said, I'm waiting to get my Master's Degree. 3369 02:00:35,902 --> 02:00:37,804 And she said, well, come anyway. 3370 02:00:37,837 --> 02:00:38,772 And I did. 3371 02:00:38,838 --> 02:00:42,409 And that's when I went, I'll never this again. 3372 02:00:42,442 --> 02:00:44,144 It was just way too much 3373 02:00:44,177 --> 02:00:46,646 to stand on my own and say that, 3374 02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:51,484 at a time when women really weren't that involved. 3375 02:00:51,518 --> 02:00:55,255 I mean, even women musicians, even singers, had a hard, 3376 02:00:55,321 --> 02:00:57,457 female, singers had a hard time. 3377 02:00:57,524 --> 02:00:59,392 You know, someone wrote me the other day 3378 02:00:59,459 --> 02:01:02,896 and said, oh, are Paul and John, 3379 02:01:02,962 --> 02:01:05,965 or Paul and Ringo involved in what you're doing? 3380 02:01:05,999 --> 02:01:07,867 And it's like, no. 3381 02:01:07,934 --> 02:01:08,968 (both laughs) 3382 02:01:09,502 --> 02:01:10,337 No. 3383 02:01:10,370 --> 02:01:12,305 I can do this all on my own now. (laughs) 3384 02:01:12,372 --> 02:01:13,573 It was difficult. 3385 02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:15,508 There weren't a lot of women in the business at all. 3386 02:01:15,575 --> 02:01:18,244 I was the only woman on tour, basically, 3387 02:01:18,311 --> 02:01:19,012 except for the singers. 3388 02:01:19,045 --> 02:01:20,347 - Did you find, 3389 02:01:20,413 --> 02:01:23,516 I mean, it sounds like everyone was extremely respectful 3390 02:01:23,583 --> 02:01:25,085 to you, during that period. - Mm-hm. 3391 02:01:25,151 --> 02:01:26,186 - Did you, 3392 02:01:26,219 --> 02:01:27,220 did you have to, kind of, 3393 02:01:27,253 --> 02:01:30,123 put up boundaries and borders with, 3394 02:01:30,156 --> 02:01:30,890 I mean, you don't have to name anyone. 3395 02:01:30,957 --> 02:01:31,925 But with certain people, 3396 02:01:31,958 --> 02:01:34,127 did you find that you had to be much more 3397 02:01:34,194 --> 02:01:36,229 on your guard with certain parts of that, 3398 02:01:36,262 --> 02:01:39,632 as, basically, being the only woman on a tour? 3399 02:01:39,699 --> 02:01:40,667 - Um. 3400 02:01:40,734 --> 02:01:44,537 Well, actually, of all the time that I was on tour, 3401 02:01:44,571 --> 02:01:47,707 only one person ever gave me a hard time. 3402 02:01:47,741 --> 02:01:51,644 And that's when I was, Linda Ronstadt's tour manager. 3403 02:01:51,711 --> 02:01:52,712 And her, 3404 02:01:52,779 --> 02:01:56,483 the guy in charge of her roadie, basically, 3405 02:01:56,549 --> 02:02:00,854 hated that he had to take instructions from a female. 3406 02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:02,722 That really bothered him. 3407 02:02:02,789 --> 02:02:06,826 But I think, mostly, my being on the road had, 3408 02:02:06,860 --> 02:02:08,261 I had different roles. 3409 02:02:08,328 --> 02:02:10,497 It was like, I was organizing. 3410 02:02:10,563 --> 02:02:12,132 I was the mother. 3411 02:02:12,165 --> 02:02:17,337 I was the girlfriend to go talk to when they were upset. 3412 02:02:17,370 --> 02:02:18,705 The counselor. 3413 02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:23,843 I had many different hats during that period of time, 3414 02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:27,080 but it was the female part that the guys could come and say, 3415 02:02:27,147 --> 02:02:28,715 oh, (mumbles) 3416 02:02:28,748 --> 02:02:31,317 I had to watch out that the girlfriends 3417 02:02:31,384 --> 02:02:33,353 and wives didn't get jealous 3418 02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:35,655 because they wouldn't be there most of the time, 3419 02:02:35,722 --> 02:02:36,790 but they would come on here and there. 3420 02:02:36,856 --> 02:02:39,626 So, it was important to let them know 3421 02:02:39,693 --> 02:02:41,327 that I wasn't a threat to them. 3422 02:02:41,361 --> 02:02:43,730 I've kept in touch with different people, 3423 02:02:43,797 --> 02:02:46,700 Pattie, pretty much, consistently. 3424 02:02:46,766 --> 02:02:48,101 Bobby Whitlock. 3425 02:02:48,168 --> 02:02:49,903 May Pang and I are still in touch. 3426 02:02:49,969 --> 02:02:51,171 But when my book came out, 3427 02:02:51,237 --> 02:02:53,039 there were some people who were offended 3428 02:02:53,106 --> 02:02:54,341 that I had written a book. 3429 02:02:54,407 --> 02:02:57,310 And so, those, friendships, kind of, went away. 3430 02:02:57,377 --> 02:02:59,346 - [Bob] Your overall feeling 3431 02:02:59,379 --> 02:03:03,049 about what you did, what you achieved, 3432 02:03:03,116 --> 02:03:05,285 the people that you knew, 3433 02:03:05,318 --> 02:03:08,688 how does that make you feel now? 3434 02:03:08,722 --> 02:03:11,124 - A huge amount of gratitude. 3435 02:03:11,191 --> 02:03:15,462 I think I was so fortunate to have had the experiences, 3436 02:03:15,528 --> 02:03:17,831 to have met the type of people I met, 3437 02:03:17,864 --> 02:03:18,898 creative. 3438 02:03:18,965 --> 02:03:22,168 To have been given the opportunities that I was given 3439 02:03:22,202 --> 02:03:24,404 and yet, I'm still who I am now. 3440 02:03:24,471 --> 02:03:28,241 The idea that my parents let me just fly away, 3441 02:03:28,308 --> 02:03:31,578 at 20 years old to another country, 3442 02:03:31,611 --> 02:03:34,481 at a time when that wasn't the, 3443 02:03:34,514 --> 02:03:36,950 that just wasn't what people did. 3444 02:03:37,017 --> 02:03:39,185 They just let me take off 3445 02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:44,290 is pretty astounding to me, even today. 3446 02:03:44,357 --> 02:03:46,593 And then I married an Englishman 3447 02:03:46,626 --> 02:03:49,562 and then I had my son in England 3448 02:03:49,629 --> 02:03:52,165 and we, eventually, went back to the States. 3449 02:03:52,232 --> 02:03:54,100 But this time, 3450 02:03:54,134 --> 02:03:57,837 and it's been around 15 years since I've been here, 3451 02:03:57,871 --> 02:04:00,440 a dear friend Hillary, who used to work with Ringo, 3452 02:04:00,507 --> 02:04:02,008 said to me once, 3453 02:04:02,075 --> 02:04:05,211 Chris, you're still just the little town girl. 3454 02:04:06,379 --> 02:04:08,982 You just, no matter how much you do, 3455 02:04:09,049 --> 02:04:11,618 you still come outta this little town of 500 people. 3456 02:04:11,685 --> 02:04:13,820 And I think there's some truth to that. 3457 02:04:15,255 --> 02:04:18,491 (upbeat twangy music) 3458 02:04:32,272 --> 02:04:35,008 * I'm the only one down here * 3459 02:04:35,041 --> 02:04:40,113 * Who's got nothing to say about the war or the rice * 3460 02:04:40,213 --> 02:04:44,984 * That keeps going astray on its way to Bombay * 3461 02:04:45,018 --> 02:04:48,054 (upbeat twangy music) 3462 02:04:49,622 --> 02:04:55,328 * The smog that keeps polluting up our shores * 3463 02:04:55,395 --> 02:04:57,230 * Is boring me to tears * 3464 02:04:57,263 --> 02:05:00,266 * Why don't you call me * 3465 02:05:00,333 --> 02:05:01,735 * Miss O'Dell * 3466 02:05:01,801 --> 02:05:04,938 (upbeat twangy music) 3467 02:05:06,172 --> 02:05:08,875 * I'm the only one down here * 3468 02:05:08,908 --> 02:05:12,812 * Who's got nothing to fear from the waves * 3469 02:05:12,846 --> 02:05:14,681 - The thing about your father 3470 02:05:14,714 --> 02:05:17,350 that was so, was so unique, at that time, 3471 02:05:17,384 --> 02:05:20,387 you can see nobody's even paying attention 3472 02:05:20,420 --> 02:05:21,321 to him being there. 3473 02:05:21,388 --> 02:05:23,690 He's like a fly on the wall. 3474 02:05:23,757 --> 02:05:26,659 I've seen a few photos of his since. 3475 02:05:26,726 --> 02:05:29,329 In fact, it's my most favorite photo, of all time. 3476 02:05:29,362 --> 02:05:33,433 Because it's the one where I have this really good haircut, 3477 02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:35,168 with George. - Yeah. 3478 02:05:35,201 --> 02:05:36,002 - Right. - Absolutely. 3479 02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:36,770 - And when I, 3480 02:05:36,836 --> 02:05:38,738 I was amazed when I realized 3481 02:05:38,805 --> 02:05:41,141 he had had taken all those photographs. 3482 02:05:41,174 --> 02:05:44,244 - What got me about looking at all of these images, 3483 02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:45,578 everybody's smoking. 3484 02:05:47,614 --> 02:05:51,151 You know, we've had this change of, you know, culture 3485 02:05:51,217 --> 02:05:52,385 and where we are now. 3486 02:05:52,452 --> 02:05:54,087 And if you smoke you've gotta go outside. 3487 02:05:54,154 --> 02:05:57,357 But I can Is that a cigarette you've got on there? 3488 02:05:57,424 --> 02:05:58,892 - Well, hopefully. 3489 02:05:58,958 --> 02:06:00,560 (Tony laughs) 3490 02:06:00,593 --> 02:06:02,162 Ah, probably. 3491 02:06:02,195 --> 02:06:06,566 * Or the cat with most hope to fill the Fillmore * 3492 02:06:06,633 --> 02:06:10,737 (upbeat twangy music) 3493 02:06:10,804 --> 02:06:16,710 * And you're pushing, shoving, ringing on my bell * 3494 02:06:16,776 --> 02:06:18,578 * It's not for me tonight * 3495 02:06:18,611 --> 02:06:21,614 * So, won't you call me * 3496 02:06:21,681 --> 02:06:23,283 * Miss O'Dell * 3497 02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:26,286 (upbeat twangy music fades)