1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,500 Oh man. 3 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:46,160 Let's move. 4 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:59,640 Oh my-- I've never seen it like this. 5 00:01:03,926 --> 00:01:04,426 Jeez. 6 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:11,670 It's a lot bigger than I remember it being. 7 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:15,150 This slab up here, this is the stage. 8 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:25,510 When I died, I wanted my ashes to be like ground up like grind 9 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:29,500 up a part of this and put my ashes into this middle section 10 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:33,308 because I thought this would be here forever. 11 00:01:33,308 --> 00:01:35,156 [THEME MUSIC] 12 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,980 I've never seen a nightclub like this. 13 00:01:38,980 --> 00:01:40,600 It had a feel. 14 00:01:43,730 --> 00:01:45,600 JOE VIRUS: There's chandeliers. 15 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,200 There's stained glass. 16 00:01:50,780 --> 00:01:52,870 There was this mystique about it. 17 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:56,800 There's mystery in the air. 18 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,530 This is my place. 19 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:58,365 This is my home. 20 00:02:04,940 --> 00:02:07,923 JBABE: It was just like an orgasm of life. 21 00:02:35,450 --> 00:02:38,600 It was, I think, summer of '86. 22 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,580 We're all skateboarding out in my driveway. 23 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:43,580 And we all had the jam box out there cranked up. 24 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:46,220 And then it went to the stupid commercial. 25 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:48,730 It came back from that with a chainsaw ripping. 26 00:02:51,290 --> 00:02:52,940 We're all shouting, "Timber!" 27 00:02:52,940 --> 00:02:55,167 Because DOA had a song called Lumberjack City. 28 00:02:55,167 --> 00:02:57,750 No, timber happens, and we're like, what the hell is going on? 29 00:02:57,750 --> 00:03:00,770 And all of a sudden this like kick drum just kicks in. 30 00:03:00,770 --> 00:03:03,170 We hear this howling. 31 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:05,660 It sounded like the devil was like coming 32 00:03:05,660 --> 00:03:07,280 through the speakers. 33 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,420 We run into the garage and get the phone. 34 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:12,500 We're calling the station and waiting for 15 minutes 35 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:13,175 like for them to answer. 36 00:03:13,175 --> 00:03:15,300 And finally, somebody answered and we're like, hey, 37 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:18,600 you started this set off with there was a chainsaw. 38 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:19,380 It sounded like the devil. 39 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:20,240 What was that? 40 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,480 They're like, that was skinny puppy chainsaw. 41 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,840 It was just mind blowing. 42 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,260 And I'm like-- 43 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:29,695 And it was that moment when I started wearing black. 44 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 DON NEDLER: I was a kid. 45 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,650 I was about 11 years old, and there was a lounge near my house 46 00:03:45,650 --> 00:03:47,120 where I grew up. 47 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,340 And I used to ride my bike over there after school. 48 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:51,350 And they would be setting up the club. 49 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:53,330 And the band would be rehearsing and they'd 50 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:56,700 be putting the ashtrays out and washing down the rubber mats. 51 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:58,110 And I thought, this is the coolest thing ever. 52 00:03:58,110 --> 00:04:00,253 This is what I want to do, right then and there 53 00:04:00,253 --> 00:04:02,170 that I wanted to be in the nightclub business. 54 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:07,680 I worked at a club called After The Gold Rush. 55 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,660 I was 18. 56 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:11,970 And I would do shitty jobs, cleaning the bar mats, 57 00:04:11,970 --> 00:04:13,170 scrubbing the floors. 58 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:14,190 Terrible jobs. 59 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:17,130 But I was there all day, every day by myself. 60 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:21,230 And so I used to go into the DJ booth and I would play records. 61 00:04:21,230 --> 00:04:24,350 And I sort of taught myself how to DJ. 62 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:27,800 And one day, the DJ was sick. 63 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,200 I said, I can do it. 64 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,800 They're like, you? 65 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,850 And I'm like. 66 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:33,310 And they said, all right. 67 00:04:33,310 --> 00:04:34,770 So I DJed. 68 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:37,500 And After The Gold Rush, it was like 1976. 69 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:38,990 It was the disco era. 70 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:41,580 And I just got up and banged it out, man. 71 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:44,120 I hit a home run because I thought 72 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,350 the coolest job in this whole nightclub is the DJ. 73 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:51,112 Well, now I really have the coolest job. 74 00:04:51,112 --> 00:04:52,820 Well, I just picked up the new Stevie Ray 75 00:04:52,820 --> 00:04:55,905 Vaughan live from Montrose CD, so I'm 76 00:04:55,905 --> 00:04:57,780 more into rock and roll and rhythm and blues, 77 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:58,947 but I also like dance music. 78 00:04:58,947 --> 00:05:01,110 I was a DJ for 10 years before I was a club owner. 79 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:01,950 Oh yeah. 80 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:11,350 RON STANLEY: If you were in Deep Ellum in the early 80s, 81 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:13,600 it would not look like what it looks now. 82 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,120 At that time it was warehouses, cheap rent. 83 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,170 It was just kind of a shadow of its former self, 84 00:05:22,170 --> 00:05:25,780 being the famous Deep Ellum of the 1930s. 85 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:27,358 [LOUIS ARMSTRONG, "DALAS BLUES"] 86 00:05:27,358 --> 00:05:29,400 LOUIS ARMSTRONG: (SINGING) I got the Dallas blues 87 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,730 and I'm feeling mighty, a bit mighty. 88 00:05:32,730 --> 00:05:33,610 I mean sad. 89 00:05:33,610 --> 00:05:37,370 I got the Dallas blues and I'm feeling mighty sad. 90 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:43,170 Deep Ellum has just such as incredibly rich history 91 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:46,470 from blues being there, and that sort of-- 92 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:49,900 80s when it was sort of being revived, 93 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:51,370 making it a kind of destination. 94 00:05:51,370 --> 00:05:54,120 There was no Goth scene. 95 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,220 In the time we called it industrial. 96 00:05:56,220 --> 00:06:00,400 Goth, really, I don't think was coalescing yet. 97 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,285 And it really took the clubs to do that. 98 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:10,230 Clubs that were operating in those early 80 years 99 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:15,300 were a reaction to the prominent way in which Dallas 100 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:16,380 thought of itself. 101 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:18,720 All of those people who didn't fit 102 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,680 in to a sort of traditional nightclub 103 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,580 would find people like them at the start. 104 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,720 DON NEDLER: The Starck Club was groundbreaking. 105 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,370 What they did was really innovative and way ahead 106 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:35,960 of its time. 107 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,530 Philippe Starck designed the space. 108 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:38,900 It was an incredible space. 109 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,810 Everything about it was glamorous. 110 00:06:41,810 --> 00:06:45,800 Many people who went to star Starck spent like all day trying 111 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,820 to figure out what to wear. 112 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:48,350 There were certainly some people who 113 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:50,690 were dressed somewhat in Goth. 114 00:06:50,690 --> 00:06:54,620 But musically, I think the Starck Club really 115 00:06:54,620 --> 00:06:55,770 broke new ground. 116 00:06:55,770 --> 00:06:57,622 [MUSIC PLAYING] 117 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,520 RON STANLEY: It's music that was descendant 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,470 of synthpop and disco. 119 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:06,710 DON NEDLER: That music that was so innovative and so 120 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:11,150 progressive, we incorporated a lot of it into The Church. 121 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:16,310 Starck set a tone that the church and Lizard Lounge 122 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:18,780 sort of carried on. 123 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:19,870 Everything about Starck Club inspired me. 124 00:07:19,870 --> 00:07:20,690 Everything. 125 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,430 JOE VIRUS: In 1988, dad decides that we're 126 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:32,240 moving back to Arlington. 127 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,840 And it was like the first couple of weeks of school. 128 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,330 I'm in English class, and this guy would show up late. 129 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:42,590 And he had this just total disregard for everything look. 130 00:07:42,590 --> 00:07:44,290 He just looked cool. 131 00:07:44,290 --> 00:07:46,180 I see that he's wearing a Skinny Puppy shirt. 132 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:46,947 And I look over. 133 00:07:46,947 --> 00:07:48,530 I'm like, dude, you like Skinny Puppy? 134 00:07:48,530 --> 00:07:49,520 He's like, yeah. 135 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,570 You know Skinny Puppy? 136 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:51,440 And I'm like, yeah. 137 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,398 And I show him my book. 138 00:07:52,398 --> 00:07:54,550 I had drawn the logo on the cover. 139 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:56,240 A couple of weeks later, he's like, 140 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,500 hey, what are you doing Friday night? 141 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:59,125 Well, there's a party, you should come. 142 00:07:59,125 --> 00:08:00,470 And I'm like, OK, cool. 143 00:08:00,470 --> 00:08:02,140 And I go to this party. 144 00:08:02,140 --> 00:08:03,240 I'm like scared. 145 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,990 And I'm looking at everybody, and they all 146 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:08,330 look like heavy metal rock stars. 147 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:11,115 And the girls all look like rock star video girls. 148 00:08:14,637 --> 00:08:17,220 I look up, and there's my friend coming through the front door 149 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:17,720 with ice. 150 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,500 I'm like, dude, I don't know anybody here. 151 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,250 I thought this was like high school party. 152 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:24,210 He's like, oh, no, this is Vinnie and Daryl's place 153 00:08:24,210 --> 00:08:25,270 from Pantera. 154 00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:27,300 He leaves again, and I'm just sitting there. 155 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:31,560 And all of a sudden this girl falls out of heaven or something 156 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,850 into my lap. 157 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:35,650 And then she says, hey, let's go to Empire. 158 00:08:35,650 --> 00:08:37,895 And I'm like, OK. 159 00:08:37,895 --> 00:08:39,520 I'm like, I don't know where I'm going. 160 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,169 And I got to be home by midnight. 161 00:08:41,169 --> 00:08:43,620 And it was like the long way to get to downtown Dallas. 162 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:44,830 It's just so unreal. 163 00:08:44,830 --> 00:08:47,220 It's unreal how big these buildings are all lit up. 164 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:48,400 And it's beautiful. 165 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,160 [MUSIC PLAYING] 166 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:57,577 So we pass downtown, and we go into this bridge. 167 00:08:57,577 --> 00:08:59,410 And then everything is like lower buildings. 168 00:08:59,410 --> 00:09:01,420 They're like two, three story high, 169 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:05,800 but like a lot more neon and a lot of graffiti 170 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,730 and a lot of punk looking people. 171 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:09,620 And I'm like, oh, this is cool. 172 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:10,300 What is this? 173 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:12,513 And she said, oh, this is Deep Ellum. 174 00:09:12,513 --> 00:09:13,930 And we're driving through, and I'm 175 00:09:13,930 --> 00:09:16,790 seeing people with Mohawks and different colored hair. 176 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:19,610 And I'm just like, I'm tripping out. 177 00:09:19,610 --> 00:09:21,490 But I got scared because all of a sudden 178 00:09:21,490 --> 00:09:24,430 it went from being this neon jungle of punk 179 00:09:24,430 --> 00:09:26,350 and new wave looking people everywhere 180 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:28,130 to nothing but warehouses. 181 00:09:28,130 --> 00:09:31,610 And I'm like, they're going to kill me. 182 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:35,450 They're going to tie me to a pole and kill me. 183 00:09:35,450 --> 00:09:37,350 And we turn down from good Latimer. 184 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:39,560 We turn on to Swiss Avenue. 185 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:42,200 As we turn the corner, I realized that, oh, 186 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,980 there's another club here. 187 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:51,400 And we walk in and my mind is completely blown away. 188 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,850 There's chandeliers. 189 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:54,530 There's stained glass. 190 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:56,620 I look at the spiral staircase going up 191 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:59,438 to the second floor with this little chandelier hanging there. 192 00:09:59,438 --> 00:10:00,730 And I'm like, this is gorgeous. 193 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:02,650 This is amazing. 194 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:04,155 There are all these people dancing. 195 00:10:04,155 --> 00:10:05,300 And I hear the music. 196 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:06,488 I'm like, this place is so awesome. 197 00:10:06,488 --> 00:10:08,710 She goes, this is just the entryway. 198 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:11,180 And I'm like, OK. 199 00:10:11,180 --> 00:10:12,710 And she takes me in. 200 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:18,680 And it was just this big room with moving lights everywhere, 201 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:19,570 disco balls. 202 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:22,100 The music was Lucretia, My Reflection. 203 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:23,140 I remember the song. 204 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:24,170 This is my home. 205 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:25,100 I want to be here. 206 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:26,240 I want to be here. 207 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:34,440 And this was 2424 Swiss. 208 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,130 JEFF K: To me, Empire at that location at 2424 Swiss kind of 209 00:10:38,130 --> 00:10:42,830 became the club extension of my radio show, pre Lizard Lounge. 210 00:10:42,830 --> 00:10:47,140 It's 3:30, and you're listening to KNON 90.9 FM Dallas. 211 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:50,110 My name is Jeff K. Time once again for Thud Slap. 212 00:10:50,110 --> 00:10:51,570 Everything I played had to have 213 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:56,820 that kind of electronic almost aggro beat, bands 214 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:01,410 like Xymox, Tackhead, The Neon Judgment. 215 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:04,200 Well, there was only one place in Dallas 216 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,365 that those bands played and that was Empire. 217 00:11:06,365 --> 00:11:07,240 JEFF K: That's right. 218 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,157 We're here with Xymox. 219 00:11:08,157 --> 00:11:11,213 And remember, folks, they're playing this evening at Empire. 220 00:11:11,213 --> 00:11:12,130 It's good to have you. 221 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:14,140 How is it in Dallas today? 222 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,150 Pretty hot, isn't it? 223 00:11:15,150 --> 00:11:16,260 WOMAN: Oh, yes, yes. 224 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:17,320 JEFF K: Too hot for you? 225 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,362 BAND MEMBER: I'm melting. 226 00:11:18,362 --> 00:11:19,380 JEFF K: You're melting? 227 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:21,190 Well, that's interesting. 228 00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:23,166 [MUSIC PLAYING] 229 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,890 DON NEDLER: I got a phone call from a guy named 230 00:11:27,890 --> 00:11:31,140 Frank Rigney who told me I heard from a real estate broker 231 00:11:31,140 --> 00:11:32,790 you were looking for a space in Dallas. 232 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:34,580 And I have a space. 233 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:37,225 Originally, it was a trolley car repair station. 234 00:11:37,225 --> 00:11:38,850 And it wasn't so much a repair station. 235 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:40,230 It was like a parts depot. 236 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:42,440 There's a trolley track that runs right 237 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,420 in front of the place. 238 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:47,370 In the 1940s, it became a furniture warehouse. 239 00:11:47,370 --> 00:11:52,820 And in 1974, Frank Rigney redesigned that space 240 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:56,660 to convert it from a furniture warehouse into a dinner theater. 241 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:59,900 And they brought in this baccarat chandelier, 242 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:02,610 which when you walk into that space, it's breathtaking. 243 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:03,870 It was really opulent. 244 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:08,150 It was a beautiful room with the red carpet, the red drapes 245 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:09,240 and gold chains. 246 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,850 I mean, it was very Gothic looking. 247 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:13,945 And it was 2424 Swiss Avenue. 248 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:27,520 What's up, Joe? 249 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,220 Good to see you, man. 250 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:28,760 How you doing, man? 251 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,302 Doing good. 252 00:12:29,302 --> 00:12:30,130 Doing good. 253 00:12:30,130 --> 00:12:33,370 It's been a while since I've been in here. 254 00:12:33,370 --> 00:12:35,470 It's emotional walking in here. 255 00:12:35,470 --> 00:12:38,710 Obviously it stirs up some emotion. 256 00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:41,260 I spent 28 years in this room. 257 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:42,225 I was here every night. 258 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:50,580 I remember the first night I had the keys to this building. 259 00:12:50,580 --> 00:12:55,560 My partner and I sat in chairs right here and right here 260 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,200 and just looked around this space. 261 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,950 And we couldn't believe it was ours 262 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:07,530 because I had come in here in 1988 when it was the Empire. 263 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:09,700 And I love this space. 264 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:11,700 And I just wouldn't have believed you 265 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,800 if you told me then three years later, 266 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,986 I would be operating a Lizard Lounge out of this very room. 267 00:13:18,986 --> 00:13:20,474 [MUSIC PLAYING] 268 00:13:29,247 --> 00:13:30,830 JOE VIRUS: I was still in high school. 269 00:13:30,830 --> 00:13:32,747 And I heard about this place called the Lizard 270 00:13:32,747 --> 00:13:33,890 Lounge that was opening. 271 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:37,530 The advertisements were all techno and it was just like-- 272 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:42,620 RADIO: Tonight the Lizard Lounge presents tickets are only $5 273 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:45,750 for over 21 at the lizard Lounge. 274 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:50,750 2424 Swiss Avenue live The Lounge. 275 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:53,990 I've never been more nervous in my life, but we did it. 276 00:13:53,990 --> 00:13:58,340 And we opened December 19, 1991. 277 00:13:58,340 --> 00:13:59,550 It was packed. 278 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:01,915 [MUSIC PLAYING] 279 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,430 And I connected with a guy named Jeff K. 280 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:10,550 And Jeff was a guy who really opened my eyes 281 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:13,130 and taught me about rave culture. 282 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:16,310 It really all starts with the first two performances 283 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:18,210 that Don and I worked on together, 284 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:21,270 and that would have been the prodigy in 1992. 285 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:24,210 And then later that same year, Moby. 286 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:28,855 The first artist that really got my attention was Moby. 287 00:14:28,855 --> 00:14:31,250 RADIO: He is considered by many to be one 288 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:33,600 of the true pioneers of techno. 289 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,770 Moby. 290 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:38,100 And he's coming to the Lizard Lounge. 291 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,370 When we booked Moby, we had 1,000 people in line. 292 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:43,440 And I'm out in front of the club. 293 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,400 I saw Moby walking under the freeway. 294 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,900 He came up and he said, man, that's some line. 295 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:51,730 I said, this is the line of people who can't get in. 296 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:54,540 And he said, well, what are you going to do? 297 00:14:54,540 --> 00:14:56,220 I said, I have no idea. 298 00:14:56,220 --> 00:14:58,540 When it was time for Moby to show up to the venue, 299 00:14:58,540 --> 00:15:00,550 he saw so many people that he said, 300 00:15:00,550 --> 00:15:03,420 you know what, why don't we do two shows? 301 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:06,810 That really gave me perspective 302 00:15:06,810 --> 00:15:10,450 as to how significant the whole EDM scene is. 303 00:15:10,450 --> 00:15:14,500 And I saw the future right there. 304 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:16,480 [MUSIC PLAYING] 305 00:15:41,530 --> 00:15:44,110 JOE VIRUS: Don really had his finger on the pulse, 306 00:15:44,110 --> 00:15:47,890 knowing what was going to be the next big thing, the Lizard 307 00:15:47,890 --> 00:15:51,260 Lounge, techno, DJs as rock stars. 308 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:53,320 He predicted all that you would get. 309 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,340 Paul Van Dyk, Armin van Buuren, Steve Aoki, LMFAO, Dead Mouse, 310 00:15:58,340 --> 00:16:00,375 tons of Moby, Moby. 311 00:16:00,375 --> 00:16:01,750 Don was one of the first people 312 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,400 to start bringing electronic acts to Dallas. 313 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,820 He would bring the people to perform that were 314 00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:08,000 just records up until then. 315 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,230 No one had seen them perform. 316 00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:11,438 No one had knew what they looked like and everything. 317 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,780 You would get high level DJs like Paul Oakenfold. 318 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:15,320 I love that venue. 319 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,270 That venue, the setup, the white is pretty intense 320 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:20,420 to perform there. 321 00:16:20,420 --> 00:16:22,550 The Dallas crowd are fantastic. 322 00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:24,830 They're really into electronic music. 323 00:16:24,830 --> 00:16:27,440 This city was a pioneer in club culture. 324 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,312 [MUSIC PLAYING] 325 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,470 MAN: Club culture. 326 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:36,450 [MUSIC PLAYING] 327 00:17:04,702 --> 00:17:06,660 DON NEDLER: Guy named Larry Siegel called me up 328 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:08,770 and he said, hey, I've got the space in Miami. 329 00:17:08,770 --> 00:17:10,670 I know you've got that Lizard Lounge concept. 330 00:17:10,670 --> 00:17:11,859 We think it's a good fit. 331 00:17:11,859 --> 00:17:15,369 And we went to Miami and we opened the Lizard Lounge. 332 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:17,345 [MUSIC PLAYING] 333 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,910 On Sunday night, there was a nightclub called Velvet. 334 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:31,630 And inside Velvet, they had a night called The Church. 335 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:33,650 I thought the music was incredible. 336 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:37,700 It was heavier, harder, deeper. 337 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,820 Yeah, way darker. 338 00:17:39,820 --> 00:17:42,980 CARLOS MENENDEZ: It wasn't particularly a Goth club per se, 339 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:45,600 but it was a big ingredient of the night. 340 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:46,970 You had your college kids. 341 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:48,440 You had your Goth kids. 342 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,450 You had your hip hop kids. 343 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:52,480 And everybody got along. 344 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,810 And we loved The Church. 345 00:17:53,810 --> 00:17:55,190 We went there every Sunday night. 346 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:59,860 But eventually, the Lizard Lounge in Miami failed. 347 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:02,510 When I came back to Dallas, I was broke. 348 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:05,930 And I said, we had this experience in Miami. 349 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:08,600 Let's try to take something positive from it. 350 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,105 So I reached out to Carlos Menendez and I said, look-- 351 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:23,763 I wanted to create the feeling I got when I walked into Miami, 352 00:18:23,763 --> 00:18:25,805 and the idea that we took forward was The Church. 353 00:18:30,637 --> 00:18:32,609 [MUSIC PLAYING] 354 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,650 The Church breathed new life into the Lizard Lounge. 355 00:19:00,650 --> 00:19:03,400 Slowly but surely, just grabbing any customer 356 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,860 we could get to tell them we got this really cool thing 357 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:07,170 happening on Sunday night. 358 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:08,710 You should come check it out. 359 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:11,468 The way that I would describe the church to people from out 360 00:19:11,468 --> 00:19:13,760 of town that want to know what our club's like, I said, 361 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,960 watch any of those movies from the late 90s when they go 362 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,810 to this massive club with all these people and vinyl 363 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:23,510 and spikes and leather and really cool looking clubs. 364 00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:25,810 The church was that in red. 365 00:19:25,810 --> 00:19:27,760 There was this mystique about it. 366 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,310 There's mystery in the air. 367 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:31,450 Magic. 368 00:19:31,450 --> 00:19:35,660 There's also decadence and debauchery and indulgence. 369 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:39,290 But there's this energy and this connection between everyone 370 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:39,790 there. 371 00:19:39,790 --> 00:19:41,623 Because you would see all kinds of people, 372 00:19:41,623 --> 00:19:43,490 punks, and new wavers and goths. 373 00:19:43,490 --> 00:19:47,200 Everybody was like their super selves. 374 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,450 I remember hearing about The Church. 375 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:52,460 I was in my last year of high school. 376 00:19:52,460 --> 00:19:56,760 It was 1994 and there were radio ads for it. 377 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,370 RADIO: Give her what she knows, not what she does. 378 00:20:01,370 --> 00:20:05,160 An industrial strength dose of divine intervention. 379 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,975 Sundays at The Church. 380 00:20:06,975 --> 00:20:08,600 It's one of the few times that the ad 381 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,820 rings true because it was all of these people sort of ironically, 382 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:13,170 wearing a religious clothing. 383 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,170 But we didn't really have a religion, of course. 384 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:17,790 There were several Satanists. 385 00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:20,772 They had this huge, massive statue. 386 00:20:20,772 --> 00:20:22,230 And he's looking down at the crowd. 387 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:24,630 And it's just menacing and huge. 388 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:29,690 You see how everything is designed and decorated. 389 00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:33,870 All of that plays a part in creating this atmosphere. 390 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:36,305 [MUSIC PLAYING] 391 00:20:47,273 --> 00:20:48,690 DON NEDLER: We presented ourselves 392 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:50,135 like we were really a church. 393 00:20:50,135 --> 00:20:51,510 And I think to some degree that's 394 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:53,820 where the sense of community started to come in. 395 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,700 Walking into that club for the first time 396 00:20:56,700 --> 00:21:01,440 and seeing that dance floor and how many people that were there 397 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,210 dressed up. 398 00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:04,900 There was no hot topic. 399 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:07,660 The women, they would have to make their own clothes. 400 00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:12,180 You're either in gowns that you probably got at Goodwill 401 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:14,910 and made look Victorian and Gothic. 402 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:17,910 Lots of long, flowy skirts. 403 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:23,100 Lots of electrical tape covering private parts. 404 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:28,980 People who knew who they were and seemed 405 00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:33,900 very accepting of everyone. 406 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,960 You had people that were non-binary and people that were 407 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,900 binary. 408 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:39,490 You had drag queens. 409 00:21:39,490 --> 00:21:41,620 You had people that were straight. 410 00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:43,110 You had people that were gay. 411 00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:45,700 We had a guy that used to do pony play. 412 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:48,340 He had these pony hooves, and he had a saddle. 413 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:50,440 And people used to ride him around the club. 414 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600 The whole idea behind the church 415 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,400 is always sort of like misfits island, everyone Welcome. 416 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,920 And it was like that in the very beginning. 417 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,270 The fact that there's this club for outcasts. 418 00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:01,270 And that's what I think most people-- most of us 419 00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:03,340 were in high school and middle school and stuff. 420 00:22:03,340 --> 00:22:06,600 It's funny now that I come here, and I 421 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,310 was an outcast in high school. 422 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:08,680 I never was popular. 423 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,260 And all of a sudden I'm popular now here. 424 00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:14,830 People like to dress up and play a personality, especially 425 00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:16,377 a dark personality. 426 00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:18,460 I had a guy when we first opened The Church that 427 00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:20,140 used to dress like a Unabomber. 428 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,990 He had a hoodie and sunglasses, and he used to hide 429 00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:24,560 and dart around corners. 430 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,500 He also dressed as Ed Gein. 431 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,740 He would dance on the dance floor 432 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:32,240 with the shovel and the hat. 433 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,800 A real shovel. 434 00:22:33,663 --> 00:22:35,205 And then there were the people that 435 00:22:35,205 --> 00:22:37,700 were playing masquerade all over the place, 436 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:39,370 and they were dressed like vampires. 437 00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:41,530 They'd all have their notebooks with them, 438 00:22:41,530 --> 00:22:42,890 keeping track of everything. 439 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:44,390 And it's like, oh, don't talk to me. 440 00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:45,130 I'm invisible. 441 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:47,800 OK, so. 442 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,910 DON NEDLER: We learned that there 443 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:54,520 are a bunch of people who don't fit in to mainstream society. 444 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,970 And The Church was becoming the center of community 445 00:22:57,970 --> 00:23:01,180 to the Gothic alternative crowd in Dallas. 446 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:03,400 Honest, this is the best club in America. 447 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,130 And it's ironic that it's in Dallas, Texas. 448 00:23:06,130 --> 00:23:08,780 There's a stereotypical view of Dallas, Texas. 449 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:10,430 Yeah, we're Kennedy killers. 450 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:11,780 We're Cowboys. 451 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:14,830 And that's probably been the fertile ground 452 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:16,790 that has bred The Church. 453 00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:19,240 [MUSIC PLAYING] 454 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:22,553 (SINGING) I would follow you forever. 455 00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:28,360 I was raised in a very conservative Southern Baptist 456 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,510 family, and I'm Wiccan. 457 00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:34,150 So it never really-- 458 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:38,560 I never really fit in my family or in the town I grew up in. 459 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,820 We hold no bias towards religion, race, creed, 460 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:43,710 or anything. 461 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:45,340 Anybody is welcome. 462 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:47,635 Our main goal is that you have fun. 463 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:52,840 I work railroads. 464 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,130 I make steel. 465 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:56,700 I work in steel factories and stuff like that, 466 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:58,680 but no one-- everyone there, it's like everyone's in a suit 467 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,310 and hard hats. 468 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:02,170 No one expects it. 469 00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:06,530 There is nothing more exciting and passionate than the fact, 470 00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:10,300 getting under the spotlights, center stage, 471 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,730 hearing the music pounding behind you, 472 00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:17,440 and feeling that energy come up through your veins. 473 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,140 Rule number one of dancing is don't give 474 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,220 a damn what anybody thinks. 475 00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:24,212 [MUSIC PLAYING] 476 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:51,904 Can you do it tighter in the middle there, baby? 477 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,700 Hey, man. 478 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,156 Thank you. 479 00:25:07,156 --> 00:25:08,132 How you doing? 480 00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,572 [MUSIC PLAYING] 481 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:25,160 In 1997, I moved into my own place, 482 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,300 first time living by myself. 483 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:30,170 And I bought this dry erase board. 484 00:25:30,170 --> 00:25:32,610 I mapped it out a weekly schedule. 485 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:35,330 Sunday at the top, it said, take over The Church. 486 00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:38,628 And then you'd go down to Thursday, take over the church, 487 00:25:38,628 --> 00:25:40,170 because I want it to be the DJ there. 488 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:43,510 And one night I'm there, and Leo, the general manager, 489 00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:44,100 is there. 490 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:45,000 And I knew him already. 491 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,322 I had already met him before. 492 00:25:46,322 --> 00:25:47,780 But I would go up to him like, hey, 493 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:50,800 man, so when you want a real goth DJ, 494 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,163 a real DJ here, give me a call because I felt that there was 495 00:25:54,163 --> 00:25:55,580 a lot of music that wasn't getting 496 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:57,920 played that needed to be played. 497 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,120 So I was like, I want to take over The Church. 498 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,948 [MUSIC PLAYING] 499 00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:06,470 LORD BYRON: I don't remember the first time 500 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:08,200 I walked into the space. 501 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,810 I actually cannot remember. 502 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:13,580 I don't have a very good memory for a lot of reasons. 503 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:18,500 What I do remember was the atmosphere. 504 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:19,560 It was club lighting. 505 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,960 It was a feeling of these are my people. 506 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,590 Helen used to be Don Edwards' wife 507 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:30,810 asked me if I would be interested to DJ at The Church. 508 00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:33,300 And Don created a night for me. 509 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,170 It was called PTL. 510 00:26:36,170 --> 00:26:37,640 Praise the Lord. 511 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,980 And my DJ name and still is today is Lord Byron. 512 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:43,430 [MUSIC PLAYING] 513 00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:46,890 It was no secret to everybody about how much I used to drink, 514 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:50,730 but I did that abusively while working at The Church. 515 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:55,190 And my last night at The Church was during an alcoholic blackout 516 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:58,700 where I was informed I was throwing music or records out 517 00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:59,810 into the audience. 518 00:26:59,810 --> 00:27:02,870 I ripped Helen's earring out of her ear. 519 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:05,900 And then friends threw me into a vehicle and got me out of there. 520 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,250 And that was my last night. 521 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:17,740 I disconnected from night light completely 522 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:21,130 until I ended up with my fifth DWI, 523 00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:22,380 and that's when I got sober. 524 00:27:38,969 --> 00:27:40,941 [MUSIC PLAYING] 525 00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:47,760 About 3 and 1/2 years into my sobriety, 526 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,800 I really miss nightlife and not as a patron, but I wanted to DJ. 527 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,700 I wanted to be a part of that energy the way that I used to. 528 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:59,370 I initially approached Don about the idea of Panopticon. 529 00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:02,420 I said, listen, I'm sober, and I would 530 00:28:02,420 --> 00:28:05,210 love to have an opportunity to DJ again. 531 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:07,650 I'm not even sure he fully believed me at that time. 532 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:09,283 I mean, I don't blame him at all. 533 00:28:09,283 --> 00:28:10,200 I don't blame anybody. 534 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560 I'm not sure anybody who knew me really 535 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,410 knew that I could be sober. 536 00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:19,880 And also the early days of Panopticon, I just-- 537 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,290 I was sober. 538 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:22,320 I wasn't social. 539 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,670 I couldn't talk to anybody. 540 00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:27,280 So I led a very closeted life. 541 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,640 Later I was dating who's now my husband, Yuri. 542 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,560 And through that relationship I was able to come out. 543 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,510 After I was able to bring Gary into the mix 544 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:42,330 and walk into my own club night, holding the hand of somebody 545 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:44,310 that I truly cared about, I felt like I 546 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:49,530 could breathe, not just in my club night, but just in my life. 547 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:51,900 I was honest with everybody. 548 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,457 And I was so well embraced. 549 00:28:53,457 --> 00:28:54,790 It was like not even a big deal. 550 00:28:54,790 --> 00:28:56,640 I look back and it was kind of ironic 551 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640 because I created this night called Panopticon, certainly 552 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,300 inspired by The Church, which is a safe space for everybody. 553 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,432 I just still wasn't comfortable enough in my own skin. 554 00:29:06,432 --> 00:29:07,890 I can see how people have struggled 555 00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:11,260 with alcohol and drugs and mental illness, 556 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:13,385 and it's just not always the easy thing. 557 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:20,590 Panopticon just evolved into one of these safe spaces 558 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:21,560 for people too. 559 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,370 I didn't know it. 560 00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:24,130 I didn't put a sign out there. 561 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:27,610 It made me feel really good that Panopticon turned 562 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:30,790 into this place of non judgment and anybody 563 00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:33,400 could walk into the doors of Panopticon 564 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,000 just like at The Church and feel they could be themselves 565 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,870 without judgment, without prejudice. 566 00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:40,850 [MUSIC PLAYING] 567 00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:21,980 It was nice to go into The Church 568 00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:24,500 because I didn't have to explain who I was, 569 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,700 and nobody ever asked. 570 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,300 But I could have gone to The Church from day one 571 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:32,850 and explained who I was, and everybody would 572 00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:36,146 have loved me just the same. 573 00:30:36,146 --> 00:30:37,643 [PHONE RINGS] 574 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:42,270 One day I get a phone call. 575 00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:43,530 It's Leo from The Church. 576 00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:46,140 And he's like, hey, you still want a DJ here? 577 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:49,320 And I'm like, of course. 578 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,400 He's like, all right. 579 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,230 Let's start you the first Thursday of January. 580 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:56,930 And I'm like, OK, cool. 581 00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:57,830 All right. 582 00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:59,600 All right, cool. 583 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:59,990 See you there. 584 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:02,660 So I'm like, oh, this is the start. 585 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:03,457 This is the start. 586 00:31:03,457 --> 00:31:04,790 This is the start of everything. 587 00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:07,748 [MUSIC PLAYING] 588 00:31:29,933 --> 00:31:32,580 LORD BYRON: Joe is absolutely a master at his craft, 589 00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:36,410 and he's great about bringing a room together and just bringing 590 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:38,678 power into a dance floor. 591 00:31:38,678 --> 00:31:40,970 JOE VIRUS: I always felt like I was going to get fired. 592 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:42,590 That they're trying to replace me because Don 593 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:44,160 never really talked to me before. 594 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,970 I had this weird intimidation factor with him. 595 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:50,280 One night, tanked the room, nobody in there. 596 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:56,300 So I'm like, OK, I'm going to play Baby Got Back. 597 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,870 Crowd went nuts. 598 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:00,390 And I'm just like, this is awesome. 599 00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:02,640 So then Clint comes over to me, and he's our door guy. 600 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,110 Clint comes running over and says, 601 00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:06,450 hey, Don wants to see you outside real quick. 602 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:09,240 And I'm like, shit, I'm getting fired. 603 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,990 I'm getting fired. 604 00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:11,448 Don's calling me out on the carpet. 605 00:32:11,448 --> 00:32:16,100 I get out there and he's like, Joe, 606 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,920 what made you decide to do this Goth hop thing? 607 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,260 Well-- and he's like, well, whatever you're doing, 608 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:26,870 keep doing it because that's awesome. 609 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:31,700 And I'm like, oh, I didn't die. 610 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:32,575 I do remember a lot of nights where 611 00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:33,950 there wasn't a packed dance floor 612 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:36,480 and I'm like waiting for Don to come running down the stairs. 613 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,313 But you know what? 614 00:32:37,313 --> 00:32:43,250 I never used the dance floor as a barometer of success for a DJ. 615 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:46,670 If you're not going for it, and you're not dumping your dance 616 00:32:46,670 --> 00:32:48,800 floor, you're just not trying. 617 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,100 You can't be afraid to try something new. 618 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,500 I felt like we needed to inject new life into The Church 619 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,550 to start reaching a broader audience. 620 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:59,750 Live music, we felt, was really important. 621 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,560 Man, so many bands. 622 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,554 It was fun. 623 00:33:08,554 --> 00:33:11,240 [MUSIC PLAYING] 624 00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:45,820 Well, I think, first of all, the history, the location, 625 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:47,830 the background of all the bands that played in. 626 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:50,430 I think the more everybody plays there, you walk in 627 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:54,300 and it has an aura about it, the whole feeling. 628 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:57,300 I was very surprised to see this kind of club 629 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:02,160 with this kind of decoration and beautiful elements in it. 630 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,250 It's important to us as a band to give 631 00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:08,600 the audience an experience rather than just put on a show. 632 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,389 It was very easy at The Church to create the kind of atmosphere 633 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:13,813 that we like to create. 634 00:34:13,813 --> 00:34:15,730 It makes me so happy just thinking about it, 635 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:17,520 and I would get so excited when we had 636 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,500 a show booked for The Church. 637 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:23,580 The Church was just so spectacular looking. 638 00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:29,699 And it just looks sort of like a place where vampire royalty were 639 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,980 assembling for a ball. 640 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:33,810 I kind of knew like, OK, this is 641 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:35,639 one of these clubs that is going to become 642 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,400 part of our weird history. 643 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,179 It was like a very anything goes kind of place, 644 00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:41,290 and I love that about it. 645 00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:44,110 All types, all different flavors. 646 00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:46,157 It was just fun. 647 00:34:46,157 --> 00:34:48,153 [MUSIC PLAYING] 648 00:34:51,650 --> 00:34:54,290 And that's this. 649 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:57,930 In '86, I told my mom and dad, I'm like, I want to play synths, 650 00:34:57,930 --> 00:35:01,792 I want to play keyboards, and I want to sound like Skinny Puppy. 651 00:35:01,792 --> 00:35:03,000 I'll leave it, I'll leave it. 652 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,542 Turn it down. 653 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560 Let's get this going. 654 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,380 Don Nadler called me in 2009 about Cevin Key 655 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:13,310 from skinny puppy wanting to do a DJ gig, 656 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:15,420 and I was like, hell, yeah, jump on it. 657 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:15,920 Do it. 658 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,420 Yes. 659 00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:17,480 Don got us in touch. 660 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,300 So he asked if I had any synthesizers 661 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,480 I could bring to the club. 662 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,340 I think I brought my pro one out that first-- no, no, I 663 00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:25,810 don't think we-- because we didn't know each other yet. 664 00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:27,140 CEVIN KEY: You did bring the-- no, it is. 665 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:28,280 You brought the pro one the first time. 666 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:28,988 The first time. 667 00:35:28,988 --> 00:35:31,300 CEVIN KEY: Listen, I signed your synthesizer 668 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,610 and played it in the set. 669 00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:36,790 My hero, my keyboard hero is going 670 00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:40,600 to play my keyboard, that I got because my keyboard hero plays 671 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,780 that in his studio. 672 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:47,250 Somehow I end up back in the coat closet with cKevin. 673 00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:49,270 I remember the first time I brought you out 674 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:50,500 for that first gig. 675 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,590 I took you back into one of the coat checks 676 00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:55,200 to show you this package I got from this guy, Danny Blue 677 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,260 from Vancouver. 678 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:59,390 And he showed some pictures of you hanging out with Al Nelson. 679 00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:01,390 I think one of your first girlfriends was there. 680 00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:03,140 And one of the pictures, and there was a-- 681 00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:06,122 Oh god, I remember this now, you showing me that. 682 00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:07,830 Because what was really weird is that guy 683 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:09,630 you got the pictures from was the guy that 684 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:13,950 formed the original underground scene of late night clubs 685 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:14,925 and raves in Vancouver. 686 00:36:14,925 --> 00:36:15,448 Oh wow. 687 00:36:15,448 --> 00:36:16,240 I didn't know that. 688 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,780 So I was how is it you got these pictures. 689 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,270 How does a guy in Dallas, Texas, have pictures of me 690 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:23,260 from before I was even in Skinny Puppy. 691 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:24,430 This is crazy. 692 00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:26,700 And that's when we kind of like opened up a little bit 693 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,510 and started talking. 694 00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:31,950 We had him back three or four other times. 695 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,310 That first time was amazing. 696 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:36,810 [CHEERING] 697 00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:38,310 He's gonna ask you a question. 698 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:39,510 All right. 699 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:41,800 Do you guys want one more? 700 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,470 Only at The Church. 701 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:48,800 I can't think of another Dallas establishment 702 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,220 that could house that type of energy or that type of event. 703 00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:54,770 It's just like, what's the right size of room 704 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:57,810 and the right ceiling height, the right speakers, 705 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:00,320 the right dance floor. 706 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,740 You had the bass, you had all the bass. 707 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:02,705 You had everything. 708 00:37:02,705 --> 00:37:06,170 One more time give it up for cEvin Key. 709 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,840 Telling 13 or 14-year-old me that I'd be hanging out with 710 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,600 that dude, I wouldn't believe you in a million years. 711 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,160 So really glad that we brought him out in 2009, 712 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,380 and that we got to bond over some silly pictures. 713 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:21,910 And cKevin's just a really sweet person. 714 00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:27,120 Anytime you can lure a celebrity 715 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,710 like that in, your street cred goes way up. 716 00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:31,620 One day I'm sitting up in the office 717 00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:33,540 and I see a Black Ferrari pull up 718 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:37,990 with a very tall guy and a very short blonde girl. 719 00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:40,210 And I'm looking at the camera. 720 00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:42,790 And I said, that looks like Dennis Rodman and Madonna. 721 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:45,570 And they rang the doorbell, and I let him in. 722 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:47,700 And I stood over here. 723 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,860 And I said, what can I do for you? 724 00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:53,400 And they said, well, we heard this place is for sale. 725 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,510 I said, well, it's not for sale, but it could be. 726 00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:57,400 But we never did the Lizard Lounge deal. 727 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,580 But there was a deal with Dennis and Madonna and I. 728 00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:04,660 The Cure came in one night, played pool. 729 00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:06,910 Pet Shop Boys came in one night after a concert, 730 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:09,450 signed a piece of Lizard Land stationery with their logo. 731 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:11,160 Trent Reznor was one. 732 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,550 I don't remember how we did that. 733 00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:13,870 I think that would just happen. 734 00:38:13,870 --> 00:38:15,340 And movies were filmed there. 735 00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:17,400 Keys to Tulsa was filmed there. 736 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,580 Queen of the South filmed there. 737 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,630 Walker Texas Ranger filmed there. 738 00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:28,550 I knew that Ozzfest was coming to town, 739 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:31,200 and Marilyn Manson was on the tour. 740 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,530 And I knew that he was engaged to Dita. 741 00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:36,200 I knew that I could book Dita that night, 742 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,750 and we would probably set the trap 743 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:42,230 to lure Marilyn Manson into the club. 744 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:44,270 So we were there on the dance floor 745 00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:48,500 and someone came in from the smoking porch and said, 746 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:49,710 tour bus has just pulled up. 747 00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:51,900 And I'm like, OK, whatever. 748 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:52,820 But we can no longer dance anymore 749 00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:54,000 because it's too crowded. 750 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,208 And then we all just start looking up and we're like, 751 00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:59,360 oh, it's the Marilyn Manson band, OK. 752 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,610 And that weird moment of like, we want to dance to your song, 753 00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:03,360 but you're here. 754 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,300 So we're just like, hi. 755 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:06,780 Back in the day, people would say, well, 756 00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:08,640 what are you guys doing for Halloween? 757 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,180 I said, Halloween. 758 00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:12,600 Well, I mean, is it going to be a Monster's Ball, 759 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,460 or is it going to be this, could be that. 760 00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:16,990 That's when I got the idea for Halloween on Halloween. 761 00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:18,820 We do Halloween on Halloween. 762 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,000 And we only do it on Halloween because every night 763 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,820 is Halloween. 764 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:25,906 But Halloween is Halloween. 765 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:28,500 Oh, hell yeah, only on Halloween. 766 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,250 We were for many years, the biggest, baddest Halloween 767 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:32,920 party. 768 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,888 We were always packed. 769 00:39:33,888 --> 00:39:36,430 There was always a line that went down the street to come in, 770 00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:37,908 always the best costumes. 771 00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:39,450 Doesn't matter what day of the week 772 00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:41,580 it is, it's still a Church Night. 773 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:45,900 But Halloween on Halloween, one of the simplest things 774 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,310 we've ever done, and in my mind, still the most clever 775 00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:49,610 because it's Halloween. 776 00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:50,860 You don't have to do anything. 777 00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:52,784 [MUSIC PLAYING] 778 00:40:02,245 --> 00:40:03,620 We would always try to get people 779 00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:05,620 to dress to come to the Church, and we're always 780 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:08,700 looking for ways to get them to dress and participate. 781 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,360 And we thought it would be fun to do a fetish ball as a one 782 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,210 off, one time dress up event. 783 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:17,150 Little did I know that was like the biggest attraction we'd ever 784 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:17,650 create. 785 00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:20,870 [MUSIC PLAYING] 786 00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:23,660 Hansel Von Quenzer was the producer 787 00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:25,640 of the first fetish ball. 788 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,250 The first show was real low tech. 789 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:31,790 The skits that I wrote were pretty basic 790 00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:33,560 for fetish BDSM stuff. 791 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,970 It mainly consisted of whipping and flogging, 792 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,623 putting people on the leash, some toilet stuff. 793 00:40:38,623 --> 00:40:40,790 And then the other part was me running around trying 794 00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:41,760 to find the props. 795 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,250 And then part three was me trying 796 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:45,950 to find models that were willing to do this type of thing 797 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:46,548 on stage. 798 00:40:46,548 --> 00:40:47,840 How much did Hansel tell you? 799 00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:51,870 I mean, not in a sexual way. 800 00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:54,600 I just meant in a legal way. 801 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,380 Oh, I'm already on? 802 00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:55,880 Fantastic. 803 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,180 You're going to cut all this into it. 804 00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:58,250 Great, you're going to use this. 805 00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:58,750 Fantastic. 806 00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:59,750 Thanks. 807 00:40:59,750 --> 00:41:04,930 OK, so first fetish ball was exciting and interesting. 808 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,390 So it's maybe 8:00. 809 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:07,560 Doors open at 9:00. 810 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,600 And we have all the models on stage. 811 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,710 And so we're rehearsing. 812 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:14,100 And Hansel has some big kind of skit planned out. 813 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,600 I'd showed up to work on the ball, 814 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,850 and I was working on some choreography and some props 815 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:18,400 and stuff. 816 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,110 We're kind of trying to figure it out. 817 00:41:20,110 --> 00:41:22,800 So it's gotten very complicated and everyone's 818 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,110 a little confused. 819 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:24,630 We were about to open the doors. 820 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:27,420 And then the doors get busted open. 821 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:28,830 A detective showed up. 822 00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:30,100 And he says, I'm here. 823 00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,900 I'm looking for Hansel Von Quenzer. 824 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:34,342 I said, hold on. 825 00:41:34,342 --> 00:41:36,550 He said, hey, Dallas Police Department is out here. 826 00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:37,840 They want to talk to you. 827 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,650 Hansel goes. 828 00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:39,928 We're like, oh. 829 00:41:39,928 --> 00:41:41,220 And so everyone's just looking. 830 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:43,800 And we're not knowing what to do. 831 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,510 I'd done a lot of radio interviews for the fetish ball, 832 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:49,300 and I guess somebody had tipped off the police or something. 833 00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:51,780 We were five minutes from opening the doors 834 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:53,440 for the first Dallas fetish ball, 835 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,835 and the producer of the event had just been carted off. 836 00:41:55,835 --> 00:41:57,490 He straight up arrested me. 837 00:41:57,490 --> 00:42:00,160 And if I remember right, Angela Ryan stepped up. 838 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,690 I just let us all out in the fashion show 839 00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:03,960 and kind of just took over. 840 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680 I guess they thought if maybe they arrested the guy that 841 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,500 was producing the ball that they could maybe 842 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:10,260 stop the ball somehow. 843 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,970 But the ball went on anyways. 844 00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:13,962 [MUSIC PLAYING] 845 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,920 I think that people are maybe initially drawn 846 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,800 to it just because it's edgy. 847 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,940 Like anyone that's kind of interested in pushing 848 00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:37,570 the envelope or things that are taboo like might 849 00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:40,150 start to discover this. 850 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:41,180 Pampa, Texas. 851 00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:43,000 It's up by Amarillo. 852 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,500 I come here every year just for the fetish ball. 853 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,500 5 and a half hours, six hours? 854 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:51,970 So. 855 00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:54,883 When I started the fetish ball in 99, 856 00:42:54,883 --> 00:42:56,300 for the first three or four years, 857 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:57,920 it was predominantly Church people. 858 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,860 But then it started to attract people just 859 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:01,940 from the BDSM fetish community. 860 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:04,260 And what was the motto that we talked about earlier, 861 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,100 anybody can come. 862 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,470 We had an older guy named Craig. 863 00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:11,440 And he used to come in wearing like a banana hammock 864 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,690 and nipple clamps with weights, and he used 865 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:15,500 to come to the fetish ball. 866 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:16,722 We had a guy who used to wear a diaper. 867 00:43:16,722 --> 00:43:18,430 You want to wear a diaper, wear a diaper. 868 00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:20,990 You want to live out your fetishes, you can do that here. 869 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:23,140 So what kind of robot are you? 870 00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:25,420 I'm an assembly line robot, actually. 871 00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:26,620 This is a sex robot. 872 00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:27,355 A sex robot? 873 00:43:27,355 --> 00:43:28,450 Oh, look at that. 874 00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,740 Well, now, easy now. 875 00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:32,470 That is the Peter. 876 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:35,373 That Peter gets a little red when you rub it that way. 877 00:43:35,373 --> 00:43:36,790 Of course, when we first started 878 00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:40,220 bringing in rubber doll in the mid to late 2000, 879 00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:44,900 she was really big because she was very attractive. 880 00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:46,240 She wore all latex, and she would 881 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,340 shoot this confetti popper that would 882 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,550 be like the orgasm of the show. 883 00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:57,740 I think that when someone goes to a fetish ball like that, 884 00:43:57,740 --> 00:43:59,490 there's so many elements going. 885 00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:00,990 There's so much going on. 886 00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:06,830 And then you add drinks to that, and the parties going on. 887 00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:09,403 And that's the success of it. 888 00:44:09,403 --> 00:44:10,820 HANSEL VON QUENZER: We didn't want 889 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:13,580 people to just show up and watch the fetish people perform 890 00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:14,340 on stage. 891 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:18,830 I wanted people to show up and actually participate. 892 00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:22,240 I am the mistress of the wheel of pain. 893 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,340 It's a fun game. 894 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:24,930 Who doesn't love games? 895 00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:28,280 You come up on stage, and you're up there under the lights 896 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,660 and everybody's looking at you. 897 00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:33,630 And you spin the big wheel, and ooh, what's it going to land on? 898 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:34,920 What's it going to be? 899 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,690 Ooh. 900 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:37,230 We had the wheel of pain. 901 00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:38,970 We had the flogging bench. 902 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:40,290 I set up a lube booth. 903 00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:41,750 And then once that happened, people 904 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:44,238 started coming up with all sorts of other ideas like, 905 00:44:44,238 --> 00:44:46,280 you'd toss the ring and it would land on a dildo, 906 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,840 and you would win a prize. 907 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,300 Every little nook and cranny that you went into, there 908 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:51,600 was something happening. 909 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,660 You turn around, like there's people 910 00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:56,170 trampling some dude in a cage. 911 00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:59,100 Turn around over here, someone's getting tied up. 912 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:00,820 There's just people dancing everywhere. 913 00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:03,220 I mean, it was the best party I'd ever been to. 914 00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:06,112 [MUSIC PLAYING] 915 00:45:25,392 --> 00:45:29,320 (SINGING) Under my skin 916 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,740 Under my skin 917 00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:34,470 Under my skin 918 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:36,575 Under my skin 919 00:45:36,575 --> 00:45:37,940 Under my skin 920 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:39,330 I want to know where we're going 921 00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:40,860 I want to know where you've been 922 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:44,650 You want to know what it takes to get under my skin 923 00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:46,170 I want to know where we're going 924 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:47,770 I want to know where you've been 925 00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:51,350 You want to know what it takes to get under my skin 926 00:45:51,350 --> 00:45:53,755 [CHEERING] 927 00:45:56,650 --> 00:46:01,510 S&M isn't necessarily just about pain. 928 00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:06,110 Pain is just one little stop on that spectrum. 929 00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:07,730 There's bondage. 930 00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:09,910 There's sensory play. 931 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:14,770 S&M is very much a form of therapy for a lot of people. 932 00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:15,880 For me, it's not sexual. 933 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,120 And it is to a lot of people. 934 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,800 And I understand that. 935 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,300 And I explain to them whenever I first start playing, 936 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:21,820 it's not going to be that way. 937 00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:23,703 Safe, sane and consensual. 938 00:46:23,703 --> 00:46:25,870 And if someone doesn't want to play, you don't play. 939 00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:29,980 A client of mine, he was a large, muscular, like football 940 00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:31,730 player type build. 941 00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:34,600 And I dressed him up like a little schoolgirl. 942 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,510 And I put on my little latex nun outfit 943 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:40,340 with my giant flaming purple strap on, 944 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:42,310 and I tied him to the stripper pole. 945 00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:44,680 And I made him suck my cock. 946 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,960 And I probably threw him down on the floor 947 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,880 and humped his little ass too, like humped him like a bitch 948 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,490 because he was a bitch. 949 00:46:54,490 --> 00:46:58,276 So I made him my bitch right there in front of everyone. 950 00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:10,860 It was 2006, and I went on the very first Girls of the Church 951 00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:12,100 Calendar Night. 952 00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:16,530 Every single person was like their own runway. 953 00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:21,455 It was just like an eye gasm of life. 954 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,800 The first opportunity I had to actually model 955 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,230 was at The Church. 956 00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:32,880 One of my friends, she just kind of came up to me one night, 957 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,410 and I should introduce you to somebody. 958 00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:36,550 Do you know Hansel? 959 00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:37,560 And I'm like, no. 960 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,930 She led me over to him and introduced me. 961 00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:42,450 And she was like, you need to put him in a show. 962 00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:45,973 He told me to get on his site, make a profile. 963 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:53,180 I think we actually did a photoshoot at Hot Topic. 964 00:47:58,150 --> 00:48:00,650 Back then everybody used to hang out in the girls' bathroom. 965 00:48:00,650 --> 00:48:02,358 You met everybody in the girls' bathroom. 966 00:48:02,358 --> 00:48:03,470 Hansel came in there. 967 00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:06,260 I guess he was looking for me and he asked about, Hey, 968 00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:08,660 do you want to do fetish ball? 969 00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:11,630 And it just felt I was just like, yes. 970 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:13,550 [MUSIC PLAYING] 971 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,195 Walking across the stage for the first time is amazing. 972 00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:29,440 When it came down for my walk and hearing them, it was like, 973 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,948 this is where I belong. 974 00:48:31,948 --> 00:48:34,702 [CHEERING] 975 00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:39,230 Will, he was the photographer of The Church for years and years. 976 00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:42,640 And he said, hey, you need to enter the Girls Church audition 977 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,280 thing. 978 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,420 I'm like, what are you talking about, it's girls. 979 00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:46,610 I'm not going to do that. 980 00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:47,262 I'm a boy. 981 00:48:47,262 --> 00:48:48,220 I'm not going to do it. 982 00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:50,410 And he's like, no, there's people 983 00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:52,570 who would love for you to be involved. 984 00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:53,960 And they think you should. 985 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,810 You represent the church. 986 00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:59,870 I really like that he didn't fit into one category. 987 00:48:59,870 --> 00:49:02,710 And to say Girls of The Church back then 988 00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:06,160 and JBabe being a part of it was groundbreaking. 989 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,320 They did choose me because I do represent The Church. 990 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,980 And I do know that there were people 991 00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:18,190 who was upset I was a part of it because I don't have a vagina. 992 00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:22,460 But I don't think that is a problem at all. 993 00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:29,500 The calendar represents the faces who are there. 994 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:34,800 DON NEDLER: Well, when we first began doing Church events, 995 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,250 I wanted to come up with a positioning line 996 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:41,670 to let people know a few words that 997 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:44,610 sort of describes who we are. 998 00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:48,460 And the words we chose were enter without prejudice. 999 00:49:57,180 --> 00:50:00,810 Without prejudice means coming as you are 1000 00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:04,590 and not giving a fuck about anybody else. 1001 00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:06,250 Once you step through these doors, 1002 00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:09,817 you cannot come in here and be awful to people for the things 1003 00:50:09,817 --> 00:50:12,150 that they like or the way that they look or the way that 1004 00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:14,690 they're dancing or anything like that. 1005 00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:17,140 Try to understand where they're coming from, 1006 00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:21,450 maybe understand what they're going through in life. 1007 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:23,438 Come in without any preconceived ideas 1008 00:50:23,438 --> 00:50:24,730 about what you're going to see. 1009 00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:26,800 Don't be judgmental about anybody. 1010 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,568 Nobody's going to be judgmental about you. 1011 00:50:28,568 --> 00:50:30,360 HANSEL VON QUENZER: Having that as a slogan 1012 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,700 is sort of a reinforcement of the fact 1013 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,960 that you're allowed to come here and be who you want to be, 1014 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,480 not how you have to pretend to be 1015 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,560 when you're around your family. 1016 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,000 In my 9:00 to 5:00, I can't dress the way I do. 1017 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,850 The real me comes out at The Church. 1018 00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:47,730 Enter that prejudice is exactly what it sounds like. 1019 00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:51,990 If you want to be prejudiced towards somebody dressing up 1020 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,260 or the bondage or everything that everybody 1021 00:50:55,260 --> 00:51:00,440 does in this scene, then you're don't need to be here. 1022 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,940 Basically. 1023 00:51:00,940 --> 00:51:01,440 Yeah. 1024 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,266 Get the fuck out but in a nice way, with a smile. 1025 00:51:06,266 --> 00:51:08,210 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1026 00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:23,290 The vampire aesthetic and concept 1027 00:51:23,290 --> 00:51:26,260 before it became a goth thing was about our inability 1028 00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:30,430 to understand death and change and transformation. 1029 00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:33,310 Being a trans woman who identifies with the vamp 1030 00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:35,180 aesthetic and like I'm transitioning, 1031 00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:38,500 I'm finding something new, I'm becoming something different, 1032 00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:41,820 it very much blended into who I was. 1033 00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:45,450 I think I must have first found the goth culture in probably 1034 00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:46,535 1997. 1035 00:51:46,535 --> 00:51:47,910 It was an interesting year for me 1036 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:49,357 because my father had passed away. 1037 00:51:49,357 --> 00:51:50,940 And I had a different group of friends 1038 00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:52,950 that were the Goth, spooky kind, and they 1039 00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:56,400 were able to help me understand that death is a part of life, 1040 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,925 and you don't have to be alone in that moment. 1041 00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:05,140 One of the things that I had to learn 1042 00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:07,810 when I was doing my therapy when I started transition 1043 00:52:07,810 --> 00:52:10,600 was my therapist said, make a list of things 1044 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,580 that you want for yourself and you want 1045 00:52:12,580 --> 00:52:15,260 in a partner, essentially a path for me. 1046 00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:18,360 And that path involves helping others because others are there 1047 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:18,860 for me. 1048 00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:20,900 I want to pay it forward. 1049 00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:21,130 And you roast the seeds. 1050 00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:24,100 Well, I've been eating the pumpkin. 1051 00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,190 You can cook these. 1052 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:31,240 So the Dance Vampire Court is the only vampire court nonprofit 1053 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,150 in the country, and we run great charity events 1054 00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:35,890 and be a source for the community 1055 00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:40,660 to be able to show we're here, we're doing good for others. 1056 00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:43,150 We all started at The Church with the Bleeding Hearts Ball 1057 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:46,250 so many years ago. 1058 00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:48,670 The first time I went authentically as Danielle 1059 00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:51,660 to The Church, it was kind of a blur. 1060 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:53,710 It was kind of anxiety riddled. 1061 00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:56,390 I'm in there touching my makeup in the women's restroom. 1062 00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:58,360 There was a girl on a bench there complaining 1063 00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,800 about her boyfriend, and we were just 1064 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,790 like giving each other advice and gassing each other up, 1065 00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,170 going, oh, you look amazing. 1066 00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:06,562 This is a place where you can relax, vent, touch up 1067 00:53:06,562 --> 00:53:08,770 your makeup, and always get good, healthy compliments 1068 00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:09,530 from other women. 1069 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:13,310 And that is something that was very reaffirming gender-wise, 1070 00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:15,420 which wasn't taken in a bad way. 1071 00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:21,160 When your slogan is end without prejudice, 1072 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,710 it makes it feel like you're able to be yourself there. 1073 00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:26,430 And that was what I needed at a point in my life. 1074 00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:28,740 And moving forward with my vampire court, 1075 00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:29,997 we're looking for a new venue. 1076 00:53:29,997 --> 00:53:32,580 We're finding new venues like we can do a Bleeding Hearts Ball 1077 00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:34,300 here, but it's not The Church. 1078 00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:38,340 And there's just-- there's so much of the ambience 1079 00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:40,482 of the location that we don't recognize 1080 00:53:40,482 --> 00:53:41,690 that we miss until it's gone. 1081 00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:55,970 '98, my friend Chris Metz came in and Chris Metz looked like 1082 00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:57,990 the villain from The Crow. 1083 00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:00,570 The long flowing black hair. 1084 00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:02,000 Beautiful, dude. 1085 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,580 One night, Chris walks into the club holding a brown paper bag. 1086 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:07,607 He had shaved his head. 1087 00:54:07,607 --> 00:54:09,440 He's like, hey, man, I want you to have this 1088 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,857 because I don't need this anymore. 1089 00:54:10,857 --> 00:54:11,977 I'm like, OK. 1090 00:54:11,977 --> 00:54:13,560 And I didn't know what was in the bag. 1091 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,230 I opened up the bag. 1092 00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:19,130 The rarest, most hard to find Sisters of Mercy merchandise, 1093 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:23,235 like picture disks on vinyl, CD box sets. 1094 00:54:23,235 --> 00:54:25,860 And I'm like, dude, this is like your prized possessions, dude. 1095 00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:26,880 I can't take this from you. 1096 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,690 This is your stuff. 1097 00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:29,790 I don't want-- I can't take this. 1098 00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:31,140 Dude, you have to take it. 1099 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:33,200 I don't need it anymore. 1100 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,480 So that night he comes in and hangs out with me in the booth. 1101 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,260 I had met this girl before he walked in. 1102 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:40,520 Her name was Chris. 1103 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,910 I introduced her to Chris, and they started talking. 1104 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:48,800 I get home, I do my nightly ritual, go to bed. 1105 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,340 I get woken up a couple hours later. 1106 00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:52,700 It's the girl Chris. 1107 00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:55,830 Joe, Chris is dead. 1108 00:54:55,830 --> 00:54:56,250 And I'm like, what the fuck? 1109 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:56,938 What? 1110 00:54:56,938 --> 00:54:58,230 What do you mean Chris is dead? 1111 00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:01,220 She goes, his mom called me because she found my phone 1112 00:55:01,220 --> 00:55:02,960 number in his jacket. 1113 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,140 She walked in the room, and he shot himself. 1114 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:07,870 And I was like, what the fuck? 1115 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,160 Sorry. 1116 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,390 I don't think goth has ever driven anyone 1117 00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:21,340 to kill themselves. 1118 00:55:21,340 --> 00:55:25,000 But I think that people with suicidal ideation 1119 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,100 might very well seek out goth. 1120 00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,230 So I think that's where the crossroads are. 1121 00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:33,820 I don't think the crossroads are someone who's bright 1122 00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:36,400 and chipper suddenly goes to a goth club 1123 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,910 and starts wearing black lipstick 1124 00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:40,190 and then suddenly is suicidal. 1125 00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:41,710 I just don't think that happens. 1126 00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:45,130 When I was 17 years old, living in a town 1127 00:55:45,130 --> 00:55:47,330 where people told me on a daily basis, 1128 00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:51,910 you should kill yourself, do this town a favor 1129 00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:53,800 and kill yourself. 1130 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,840 Do the school a favor and kill yourself. 1131 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,290 Do your family a favor and kill yourself. 1132 00:55:59,290 --> 00:56:03,200 And not ever having met anyone from outside of that town, 1133 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,120 I just assumed that everyone else in the world 1134 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,620 was like the people in my town. 1135 00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:14,920 And subsequently I felt that I was like they said, a weirdo, 1136 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,840 and I didn't deserve to live. 1137 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,450 People who are depressed who find the goth scene, 1138 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:23,880 if their experience is anything like mine, 1139 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,820 where you spend a lot of your time dancing in a club, 1140 00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:30,810 feeling really free to express yourself, 1141 00:56:30,810 --> 00:56:33,350 being surrounded by people who are also really creative 1142 00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:36,230 and also dressed really wildly, who 1143 00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:38,600 are open minded and accept you the way 1144 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,940 that you are will more likely than not, 1145 00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:46,800 I think, put aside the thoughts of suicide, 1146 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,530 realizing that there are good people in this world 1147 00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:50,720 and there is fun to be had in this world 1148 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,520 and there is beauty to be found. 1149 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,360 And if there's one thing that I have learned from performing 1150 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,300 here year after year after year, if there's 1151 00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:04,700 one thing I've come to expect and to always, always feel 1152 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:10,370 is the incredible sense of understanding and togetherness 1153 00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:13,800 that this community has and acceptance. 1154 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,390 So New Year's Eve, I'm there, and DJing in the DJ booth, 1155 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:22,700 and I hear some buzzing over here with my friends talking. 1156 00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:25,740 And I heard my friend Jasper's name get brought up. 1157 00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:28,380 And I'm like, hey, where is that fool, man? 1158 00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,380 He'd be the first person to come up here and try 1159 00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:31,338 to kiss me at midnight. 1160 00:57:31,338 --> 00:57:32,995 Where is where's Jasper at? 1161 00:57:32,995 --> 00:57:34,640 Oh, you haven't heard. 1162 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,300 And I'm like, what? 1163 00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:39,800 And it's like, he died. 1164 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,800 He ODed. 1165 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,170 And I'm like, what? 1166 00:57:47,222 --> 00:57:48,930 LORD BYRON: Anybody that knew Jasper just 1167 00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:54,810 knew he was one of the coolest people you'd ever want to know. 1168 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:57,640 He knew everything about alternative music. 1169 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,700 He was a musician himself. 1170 00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:01,385 He was just a beautiful person. 1171 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,240 JOE VIRUS: After Jasper had passed away. 1172 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,140 I kind of learned the phrasing of these. 1173 00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:13,860 Did you hear about, or have you heard about, or whatever, 1174 00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:16,620 that usually meant did you hear that so-and-so died. 1175 00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:19,900 After a lot of my friends died, I said, fuck this, 1176 00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:21,400 I don't want to lose more people. 1177 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,600 I don't want to be close to anybody because everybody dies, 1178 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,800 and I can't handle it. 1179 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,550 And I'm having a hard time dealing with it. 1180 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:33,120 It's hard going to a club trying to have a party when 1181 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,100 the people you used to party with at that same club are gone. 1182 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:39,720 Everybody in this picture is dead except for me and this guy 1183 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,640 here with the skull mask. 1184 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,420 This is my friend Brad, who died of cancer. 1185 00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:49,840 And these two took their own lives separately, 1186 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,470 different times, years apart. 1187 00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:57,340 I could picture my friends where they would be hanging out. 1188 00:58:57,340 --> 00:59:01,120 And every once in a while, there'll 1189 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,750 be some guy with a leather jacket on and bleach blonde hair 1190 00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:06,480 walk by, and I think it's Jasper. 1191 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,650 Like, boom, that's Jasper. 1192 00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:16,440 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1193 01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,610 When you start talking about supernatural stuff, 1194 01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:05,540 we've had countless film crews of people 1195 01:00:05,540 --> 01:00:08,180 that come to measure ghost sightings that 1196 01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:10,100 have come through the building. 1197 01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,670 Big John, the head of security there 1198 01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:18,680 claims to have seen the spirit on certain nights. 1199 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,430 I didn't actually take it. 1200 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:22,640 One of my staff members took it. 1201 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,100 He just took the picture because of how the lights 1202 01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,350 were shining through the smoke. 1203 01:00:27,350 --> 01:00:31,580 And then he looked at the picture after he took it. 1204 01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:34,100 And that's when he saw that image. 1205 01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,485 And he kind of freaked out. 1206 01:00:44,575 --> 01:00:45,950 It was at the end of the night. 1207 01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:47,110 We were all outside. 1208 01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:49,250 And me and Joe were standing there talking. 1209 01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:51,680 Club closes, Big John leaves. 1210 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,460 He's the last guy. 1211 01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:54,440 He had the keys, locked everything up. 1212 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,510 And Clint and I are talking and all of a sudden, we hear. 1213 01:00:58,510 --> 01:01:02,710 And we were like, did we lock somebody in the building? 1214 01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:07,300 And we're like, huh? 1215 01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:08,900 OK, second time. 1216 01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:10,210 And we're like. 1217 01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:11,840 He gets on the phone, hey, Big John, 1218 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:12,940 can you come back here with the keys? 1219 01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:14,000 We lock somebody in the building, 1220 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,000 I hear somebody banging. 1221 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,292 And it was very, very loud. 1222 01:01:16,292 --> 01:01:17,750 It wasn't like just a little knock. 1223 01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:20,270 It was straight up the whole door was shaking. 1224 01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:22,720 Someone was definitely inside a building. 1225 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,153 Joe didn't want to go in. 1226 01:01:24,153 --> 01:01:25,820 He was like, no, I'm not going in there. 1227 01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:27,800 JOE VIRUS: I'm like, I'm going to step outside. 1228 01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:28,850 I'll catch anybody if they run out. 1229 01:01:28,850 --> 01:01:30,550 And me and John searched the building. 1230 01:01:30,550 --> 01:01:32,000 And we shouted out. 1231 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,250 We searched every corner upstairs, offices, 1232 01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:38,459 dressing room, and literally did not find anybody in there. 1233 01:01:38,459 --> 01:01:40,415 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1234 01:02:00,990 --> 01:02:03,390 This was a stair line. 1235 01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:06,425 So at this level was the DJ booth right here. 1236 01:02:06,425 --> 01:02:07,540 You see this black line. 1237 01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:11,500 So coming out to here, this was the staircase going up. 1238 01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:12,580 And so the DJ booth is over here. 1239 01:02:12,580 --> 01:02:13,920 So I would be DJing. 1240 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,170 And out of the corner of my eye, I would see a kid. 1241 01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:20,290 And I remember the like a white t-shirt. 1242 01:02:20,290 --> 01:02:21,200 I couldn't see hair. 1243 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,900 I didn't see the hair color, but blue jeans, like big baggy 1244 01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:26,770 jeans, run up the stairs. 1245 01:02:26,770 --> 01:02:28,650 And when he got to this section here 1246 01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:30,870 would trip and then continue running 1247 01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:32,940 and disappear halfway up the staircase. 1248 01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:35,370 Across the way, I would see somebody standing 1249 01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:39,300 in front of the doorway going up into the dressing room, 1250 01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:43,420 and I would see a figure with long gray or blonde hair, 1251 01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:45,690 just all in black standing up there. 1252 01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:47,970 And nobody would be there. 1253 01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:54,450 One of the popular ghost stories here was an old guy in a top hat 1254 01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:56,820 and a suit sitting at a table. 1255 01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,300 And he was always there writing poetry. 1256 01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:02,708 But that was really a guy named Christopher. 1257 01:03:02,708 --> 01:03:04,250 I've never seen a ghost in my life. 1258 01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:05,792 I mean, my theory on that is if there 1259 01:03:05,792 --> 01:03:08,890 is another world that we're not part of, 1260 01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:11,900 it's like it's on a different radio frequency. 1261 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,895 And there are those of us that are not. 1262 01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:26,200 JOE VIRUS: I feel that maybe it's a residual haunting there. 1263 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,250 Like when you listen to a tape, a cassette tape, 1264 01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:30,430 if you recorded something that had a heavy bass tone 1265 01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:33,770 or like a kick drum, that was really hard in this one point, 1266 01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:36,550 and then you record over that, you'll get a drop out 1267 01:03:36,550 --> 01:03:38,430 of that kick drum again. 1268 01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:45,250 I kind think that might be it with the building. 1269 01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:47,590 Like maybe the way that the couches were, 1270 01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:50,760 maybe the material of the wallpaper, maybe the bricks 1271 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,270 and the wood itself captured some-- 1272 01:03:54,270 --> 01:03:57,720 and the kid falling, that might have been his like-- 1273 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,850 one of his biggest embarrassing moments of his life. 1274 01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:02,730 And maybe that registered like a kick 1275 01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:06,305 drum on the magnetic field of the club. 1276 01:04:10,295 --> 01:04:12,670 There are so many people through, in and out those doors. 1277 01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:16,810 And so many people with heightened emotional responses 1278 01:04:16,810 --> 01:04:18,280 to things going on. 1279 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,335 All those kind of things are boom. 1280 01:04:22,570 --> 01:04:23,140 Yeah. 1281 01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:23,690 Yeah. 1282 01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:25,982 You just keep feeding it and feeding it and feeding it. 1283 01:04:25,982 --> 01:04:27,760 It's like a rechargeable battery. 1284 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,270 And one night I'm in the hallway here. 1285 01:04:30,270 --> 01:04:33,340 This used to be just a hallway with double doors 1286 01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:36,490 that swung into this whole big area back here. 1287 01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:38,330 So I'm here talking to-- 1288 01:04:47,204 --> 01:04:48,770 CAMERA MAN: What's going on? 1289 01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:50,337 I heard something. 1290 01:04:50,337 --> 01:04:51,420 CAMERA MAN: What was that? 1291 01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:52,690 I don't know. 1292 01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:54,490 It sounded like it was right there. 1293 01:04:54,490 --> 01:04:56,440 I don't see anybody or anything. 1294 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,500 I hear footsteps. 1295 01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:58,250 That's so weird. 1296 01:04:58,250 --> 01:05:00,980 There's nothing you can hear footsteps in here. 1297 01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:02,200 OK. 1298 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,634 All right. 1299 01:05:03,634 --> 01:05:05,500 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1300 01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:11,760 So several years ago, I met the club 1301 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,542 and I had a guest DJ spinning. 1302 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,750 And I walked outside to get some fresh air because it 1303 01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:16,810 gets stuffy in there. 1304 01:05:16,810 --> 01:05:18,160 You get the fog machine going. 1305 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,940 And so I walked outside, but there's 1306 01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:25,650 this guy, this like drunk guy, didn't look Goth at all. 1307 01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:28,600 And he says, Hey, DJ Virus. 1308 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,153 Hey, man. 1309 01:05:29,153 --> 01:05:30,820 And he comes and puts his arm around me. 1310 01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:31,990 And I'm like, what's up? 1311 01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:34,253 And he's like, I just bought this place, man. 1312 01:05:34,253 --> 01:05:35,670 And I got a question, what are you 1313 01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:39,910 going to do when I bulldoze your club? 1314 01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:42,700 And I'm like, who the fuck are you, dude? 1315 01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:43,550 Don't be an asshole. 1316 01:05:43,550 --> 01:05:44,870 I don't fucking know you. 1317 01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:45,413 What? 1318 01:05:45,413 --> 01:05:47,800 Who the fuck-- get in your fucking limo. 1319 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,420 Take your fucking hooker off with you. 1320 01:05:49,420 --> 01:05:50,150 I yelled at him. 1321 01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:51,970 He got in his limo and took off. 1322 01:05:51,970 --> 01:05:55,640 And Don called me up and said, hey, what did this guy say? 1323 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:56,640 What'd he you look like? 1324 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,260 And I described him to him. 1325 01:05:58,260 --> 01:06:02,420 And he's like, OK, so yeah, this guy did-- he did buy the club, 1326 01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:03,970 but we're not going anywhere. 1327 01:06:03,970 --> 01:06:07,630 We're not going anywhere. 1328 01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:10,690 He would come in unannounced in the middle of the day 1329 01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:15,160 with investors trying to sell the building, which is not cool. 1330 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,270 First of all, it's a violation of our lease. 1331 01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:18,350 It's a four wall lease. 1332 01:06:18,350 --> 01:06:21,820 We're responsible for everything from the roof to the foundation. 1333 01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:23,860 I couldn't buy the Lizard Lounge property. 1334 01:06:23,860 --> 01:06:26,500 The only defense posture I could take 1335 01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:31,100 was to buy the property adjacent and stop any development. 1336 01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:33,540 But I knew I couldn't stop it forever. 1337 01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:36,280 I just knew I could slow it down. 1338 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,110 When Westdale bought the building, 1339 01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:40,100 we were afraid they wouldn't work with us. 1340 01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:40,670 But they did. 1341 01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:42,753 But they said, we're building a high rise for Uber 1342 01:06:42,753 --> 01:06:45,610 across the street, and we're going to take your parking lots. 1343 01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:47,410 And they were going to use the parking 1344 01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:51,400 lots as staging for the construction of the high rise. 1345 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,380 I agreed to it because I didn't want to lose Lizard Lounge, 1346 01:06:54,380 --> 01:06:56,840 but I knew at that point our days were numbered. 1347 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,744 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1348 01:07:01,130 --> 01:07:04,230 I was in the office and I got a phone call from Onisha Rigney. 1349 01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:05,930 She was the original landlord's wife. 1350 01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:09,260 She was the designer who did the grand crystal palace dinner 1351 01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:09,812 theater. 1352 01:07:09,812 --> 01:07:11,270 She called me and said, Don, I need 1353 01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:12,437 to come get that chandelier. 1354 01:07:12,437 --> 01:07:15,630 I'm going to sell it and leave the money to my godchild. 1355 01:07:15,630 --> 01:07:17,570 I said, you can have it, but I need time 1356 01:07:17,570 --> 01:07:21,200 to replace it because I had to scramble to explain 1357 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,470 to people why someone's ripping the heart and soul out 1358 01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:25,802 of our nightclub. 1359 01:07:25,802 --> 01:07:27,260 The one thing around here you could 1360 01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:29,430 do-- you could break a chair. 1361 01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:31,700 You could break a window. 1362 01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:31,940 Railing. 1363 01:07:31,940 --> 01:07:33,510 You could break a rail. 1364 01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:35,520 And I'm probably just going to ask you to leave. 1365 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,840 But the chandelier was a touchy subject. 1366 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:39,650 Yes. 1367 01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:42,470 That's the only thing that's remained constant in the club 1368 01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:44,730 and the pinnacle of the club itself. 1369 01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:47,880 Like if the club was a church, that would sort of in a way, 1370 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,980 be the altar because everybody dances under that chandelier. 1371 01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:55,950 The chandelier was somewhat of the mascot of The Church. 1372 01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:58,680 Even though it didn't run around and pump people up, 1373 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,800 it sure did reflect the lights nicely. 1374 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,400 Who else can say that they were 1375 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,148 clubbing underneath that kind of opulence? 1376 01:08:09,148 --> 01:08:11,690 The person they get married to, like they come in the early 1377 01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:13,800 90s and they meet the person for the first time, 1378 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,310 the chandelier was there. 1379 01:08:16,310 --> 01:08:17,279 I didn't replace it. 1380 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,490 I decided it can't be replaced. 1381 01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:22,615 We just decided we're going to let it go. 1382 01:08:27,814 --> 01:08:32,550 Yeah, I think it was very emotional when they took it out. 1383 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:34,529 It was gut wrenching for us. 1384 01:08:34,529 --> 01:08:37,140 And we were determined to get it back. 1385 01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:39,870 One way or another we were going to get it back. 1386 01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:42,840 My plan was I was going to try to buy it at auction. 1387 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,800 Don had put out a fundraiser type event 1388 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,410 to raise money to buy back the chandelier. 1389 01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:53,729 What other club has that type of commitment from their patrons 1390 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:57,490 to spend their own hard earned money, not just only visit it, 1391 01:08:57,490 --> 01:08:58,750 but to preserve it? 1392 01:08:58,750 --> 01:09:00,100 I finally made a deal. 1393 01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:02,250 We bought the chandelier for $7,000. 1394 01:09:02,250 --> 01:09:04,800 And we rehung it. 1395 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,460 We had all the spotlights down on it, shining different colors, 1396 01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:09,830 so that it would glisten. 1397 01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:11,109 It was just beautiful. 1398 01:09:11,109 --> 01:09:12,760 And it was very emotional. 1399 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,290 It was a proud moment that the scene came together like that. 1400 01:09:16,290 --> 01:09:18,580 And then it was a big dance party afterwards. 1401 01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:23,100 And looking back on it, it hurts now knowing that everything 1402 01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,238 was gone right after that. 1403 01:09:26,238 --> 01:09:27,680 REPORTER 1: President Donald Trump 1404 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,345 declared a national emergency. 1405 01:09:29,345 --> 01:09:31,609 REPORTER 2: And today Governor Gregg Abbott 1406 01:09:31,609 --> 01:09:33,955 declared a state of disaster in Texas. 1407 01:09:33,955 --> 01:09:35,330 Parts of North Texas are seeing 1408 01:09:35,330 --> 01:09:37,720 an increase in positive cases. 1409 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,920 Dallas County has more cases than anywhere else in the state. 1410 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,670 REPORTER 1: A heightened sense of urgency. 1411 01:09:42,670 --> 01:09:44,395 REPORTER 2: Closures of large events. 1412 01:09:44,395 --> 01:09:46,225 REPORTER 1: No visitors allowed. 1413 01:09:46,225 --> 01:09:48,170 REPORTER 2: The number of cases should not 1414 01:09:48,170 --> 01:09:52,970 spike if people don't gather in huge groups. 1415 01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:56,240 That Sunday before I was my last show at The Church 1416 01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,500 and I just played my heart out, had fun, went out 1417 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:01,740 to eat with friends like I always did, 1418 01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:04,310 and came home not realizing that was the last time 1419 01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:06,800 I was going to be in that building. 1420 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,350 I knew months before the pandemic hit the US, 1421 01:10:10,350 --> 01:10:12,680 I had a bad feeling because I watched 1422 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:13,980 what was happening in Europe. 1423 01:10:13,980 --> 01:10:16,400 We all saw what happened. 1424 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:20,782 In March, we got the shutdown order from the governor. 1425 01:10:20,782 --> 01:10:23,240 JOE VIRUS: They kept sending out the shutdown, the lockdown 1426 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,800 for longer. 1427 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:33,750 And around April or May, I see a post on Facebook. 1428 01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:39,380 And I called Don right away. 1429 01:10:39,380 --> 01:10:40,330 I'm like, Don, what's going on? 1430 01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:42,125 He's like, yeah, we're having to shut down. 1431 01:11:05,730 --> 01:11:09,420 I remember feeling like it's not even real. 1432 01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:13,870 Like if The Church ends and if that space shuts down, 1433 01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:19,780 I mean it's like truly the end of something monumental. 1434 01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:23,130 I mean, how does that end? 1435 01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:24,820 It was during lockdown in COVID. 1436 01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:28,500 So I got out my phone and I found the Spotify playlist 1437 01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:29,590 that Joe Virus did. 1438 01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:33,160 And I just danced in my backyard on the patio, 1439 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,100 smoking my clove in memoriam of The Church. 1440 01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:38,110 And it hurt. 1441 01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:45,200 I basically grieved like I had lost somebody. 1442 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,640 It was a death to me. 1443 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,330 The church was who I was. 1444 01:11:48,330 --> 01:11:51,490 It was created, who I became. 1445 01:11:51,490 --> 01:11:53,430 It was my home. 1446 01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:55,200 It was the only place I felt safe. 1447 01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:00,110 And I definitely feel like I've lost something 1448 01:12:00,110 --> 01:12:02,565 that was very important to me. 1449 01:12:02,565 --> 01:12:04,545 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1450 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,000 We cleaned the club out. 1451 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,970 And then we decided that we would give everybody 1452 01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:24,110 an opportunity to come back in. 1453 01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:27,310 And I think it was really important for The Church 1454 01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:30,132 community to have closure. 1455 01:12:30,132 --> 01:12:31,840 JOE VIRUS: And there was a line of people 1456 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,100 all the way around the building, outside down the street. 1457 01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:38,180 People wanted to go in and pay their last respects. 1458 01:12:38,180 --> 01:12:39,847 And that was the last time I went there. 1459 01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:47,800 We did that last walkthrough. 1460 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:48,490 That was like a viewing. 1461 01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:50,850 It was like a viewing at a funeral allowing people 1462 01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:51,580 to go in. 1463 01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:54,210 And I just stayed in the dressing room 1464 01:12:54,210 --> 01:12:57,120 and wrote my name on a wall that was eventually 1465 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,573 going to be torn down and just cried until they forced me out 1466 01:13:01,573 --> 01:13:02,240 of the building. 1467 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:11,410 I mean, there will be people 40 years from now 1468 01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:18,430 when you talk to them, that'll remember being there. 1469 01:13:18,430 --> 01:13:20,380 I didn't think it would affect me, that and-- 1470 01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:42,710 I've sort of made peace with the emotional part 1471 01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:45,500 and the emotional component of this building. 1472 01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:46,700 I've let it go. 1473 01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:49,370 At the end of the day for me, I have so many great memories 1474 01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:52,140 here, and that's what I carry forward. 1475 01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:55,400 I don't dwell on what I lost. 1476 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,613 I like to think back on what we had 1477 01:13:59,613 --> 01:14:01,155 and all the great things we did here. 1478 01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:08,200 We immediately went out and started 1479 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,770 looking for a new location. 1480 01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:12,670 And that's when I acquired the Italy club because I 1481 01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:15,250 knew when I looked at it'll do that, The Church 1482 01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:16,380 would do well there. 1483 01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:19,900 I was really upset that he was going 1484 01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:21,520 to reopen The Church already. 1485 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,760 And that he was going to call the night at It'll 1486 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:25,460 Do The Church. 1487 01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:26,900 I'm like, dude, why. 1488 01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:30,530 Let's let The Church die infamously. 1489 01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:32,110 Let it die legendary. 1490 01:14:32,110 --> 01:14:35,140 Let The Church die, the name die with the building. 1491 01:14:35,140 --> 01:14:36,290 And It'll Do. 1492 01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:38,180 We're back to our roots. 1493 01:14:38,180 --> 01:14:40,400 And we're really more of what we were originally, 1494 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,720 which is just a place to dance, drink, and socialize. 1495 01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,920 I hated it when I walked in there the first time 1496 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,600 when I first saw it. 1497 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,700 I'm like, man, no, this place, no. 1498 01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:55,630 But now it's like with the people and the vibe 1499 01:14:55,630 --> 01:14:58,700 and the music and the lighting, it just, yeah, it works. 1500 01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:01,215 It felt like being at home again in a different home. 1501 01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:48,204 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1502 01:15:52,730 --> 01:15:56,120 Listen, I support Joe in his decisions. 1503 01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,650 There are personal decisions that he 1504 01:15:57,650 --> 01:15:59,190 has to make for his life. 1505 01:15:59,190 --> 01:16:01,640 And I support him and encourage him. 1506 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,820 I wish him the best. 1507 01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:05,368 And I'm sure it'll be good for him. 1508 01:16:05,368 --> 01:16:06,535 But we're going to miss him. 1509 01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:11,433 It's weird to talk about. 1510 01:16:11,433 --> 01:16:13,350 I don't know what to say, so give me a second. 1511 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:25,960 It is what it is. 1512 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:26,490 It's time. 1513 01:16:30,866 --> 01:16:33,630 Oh my God, it's been so long. 1514 01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:35,292 So long, Byron. 1515 01:16:35,292 --> 01:16:36,000 You look great. 1516 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:36,590 You both do. 1517 01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:44,520 What's up? 1518 01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:55,870 Movers come on Wednesday. 1519 01:16:55,870 --> 01:16:57,465 And we leave Thursday. 1520 01:17:08,228 --> 01:17:11,190 Right now that this is the last time in a long time 1521 01:17:11,190 --> 01:17:14,350 I'm going to see these people. 1522 01:17:14,350 --> 01:17:18,800 This could be the last time I get 1523 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,870 to play my heart out to them. 1524 01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:21,840 All my whole shit. 1525 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:23,700 Everybody's fucking here. 1526 01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:25,980 What the fuck? 1527 01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:28,530 The question I'm getting all night long is like, why? 1528 01:17:28,530 --> 01:17:29,147 What happened? 1529 01:17:29,147 --> 01:17:29,730 What happened? 1530 01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:30,435 Is it a job? 1531 01:17:30,435 --> 01:17:31,600 Is it whatever? 1532 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,970 No, I'm just-- I just always dreamed of living in California, 1533 01:17:33,970 --> 01:17:34,930 always wanted that. 1534 01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:37,660 And my wife always wanted a mid-century modern home. 1535 01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:42,760 And we found a mid-century modern home in California. 1536 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:43,620 Fucking yay. 1537 01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:48,390 And I'm going to go and do what I can to take over California. 1538 01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:51,415 So I'm going to miss you all so fucking much. 1539 01:17:51,415 --> 01:17:52,540 And we'll see what happens. 1540 01:17:52,540 --> 01:17:53,740 We'll see what fucking happens. 1541 01:17:53,740 --> 01:17:55,823 I want to play some fucking three T's because it's 1542 01:17:55,823 --> 01:17:57,990 just that good right now. 1543 01:17:57,990 --> 01:18:01,900 I love you. 1544 01:18:01,900 --> 01:18:03,580 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1545 01:18:06,502 --> 01:18:08,850 OLGA: Hey, this is Olga from Skinny Puppy, 1546 01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:10,640 and you are being infected by one 1547 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,530 of the most disgusting diseases by DJ Virus at The Church. 1548 01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:17,550 CEVIN KEY: Hi, this is cEvin Key. 1549 01:18:17,550 --> 01:18:20,900 And you're listening to Joe Virus at the church. 1550 01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:22,720 ANDY: Hey, it's Andy from Comic Christ. 1551 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,180 You're listening to Joe Virus at The Church. 1552 01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:27,130 RONAN: Hi, this is Ronan. 1553 01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:29,240 Welcome to the House of our Lord. 1554 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:30,580 Welcome to The Church. 1555 01:18:30,580 --> 01:18:33,320 You're listening to the beautiful sounds of Mr. Joe 1556 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:33,820 Virus. 1557 01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:36,350 GINGER FISH: This is ginger fish from Marilyn Manson. 1558 01:18:36,350 --> 01:18:40,500 And you are listening to Joe Virus at The Church. 1559 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:42,770 BILL LEE: Hey, this is Bill Lee from frontline assembly. 1560 01:18:42,770 --> 01:18:45,550 And you are being sonically accosted 1561 01:18:45,550 --> 01:18:48,270 by listening to Joe Virus at The Church. 1562 01:18:48,270 --> 01:18:51,910 GROOVY: This is Groovy, man, from my life with the thrill 1563 01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:57,720 kill kult. And you're listening to Joe Virus. 1564 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,670 MAN: (SINGING) I whisper your name across them. 1565 01:19:18,580 --> 01:19:21,790 It's so natural that it looks unnatural, I guess. 1566 01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:24,940 It looks-- it reminds me of Angkor Wat. 1567 01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:28,940 But that's a temple that was made by man. 1568 01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:31,275 This is just made by weather. 1569 01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:37,340 I lived in Euless out in the Metroplex, 1570 01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:40,900 and I really pretty much just went 1571 01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:42,830 shopping, went to restaurants, went to the club, 1572 01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:44,470 and that was it. 1573 01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:50,543 Here, I come here maybe once a week just to chill, 1574 01:19:50,543 --> 01:19:51,460 just to come out here. 1575 01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:54,900 And sometimes I'll just park in the parking lot over here 1576 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:55,833 and just sit and look at it. 1577 01:19:55,833 --> 01:19:57,500 Sometimes I'll get up and wander around. 1578 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,700 I miss my friends. 1579 01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:06,600 I miss the club. 1580 01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,200 I really miss the club. 1581 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:08,220 I miss the crowd. 1582 01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:08,990 Both clubs. 1583 01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:10,860 I miss 2424. 1584 01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:13,700 I miss It'll Do. 1585 01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:14,930 I miss the crowd there. 1586 01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:16,610 I don't miss the traffic. 1587 01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:20,670 I have a good, group of friends here. 1588 01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:26,920 An awesome-- we're like a family, supporting each other. 1589 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:27,670 It's just awesome. 1590 01:20:27,670 --> 01:20:29,500 I get to hang out with them a lot. 1591 01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:34,810 I moved here to a desolate desert, 1592 01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:36,830 and I'm not alone anymore. 1593 01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:38,480 And I was more alone in a big city. 1594 01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,390 That's what I'm trying to say. 1595 01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:42,105 Yeah, exactly what you said. 1596 01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,660 So if I had to put the story, the legacy, 1597 01:20:57,660 --> 01:20:59,162 the story of The Church into words, 1598 01:20:59,162 --> 01:21:00,370 it's really difficult for me. 1599 01:21:00,370 --> 01:21:05,710 But I really think it's just about how 1600 01:21:05,710 --> 01:21:08,450 one venue, one place, one building, 1601 01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:14,270 one night in this one building, how it brought all these lonely, 1602 01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:19,670 ostracized, the weirdos, the freaks, the geeks, the nerds, 1603 01:21:19,670 --> 01:21:23,350 the lonesome, the lonely, the sad, the forgotten 1604 01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:25,100 and the displaced people. 1605 01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:26,910 The building gave us all a hug. 1606 01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:32,400 It brought us all in and pushed us together 1607 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,316 in a way that I've never felt that anywhere. 1608 01:21:39,980 --> 01:21:46,130 I tried to be tough about it all, the whole time. 1609 01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:49,490 I really missed being-- 1610 01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:52,800 I miss it so much. 1611 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:53,300 Fuck. 1612 01:22:02,620 --> 01:22:04,693 I'm looking for a brick to take. 1613 01:22:04,693 --> 01:22:05,985 I want a piece of the building. 1614 01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:23,910 Yeah, this one's good. 1615 01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:26,130 This is my brick. 1616 01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:27,430 I just missed this place. 1617 01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:28,680 I love this building. 1618 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,320 I don't want to let it go. 1619 01:22:33,634 --> 01:22:35,630 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1620 01:23:51,478 --> 01:23:54,260 MAN: (SINGING) Welcome 1621 01:23:54,260 --> 01:23:55,673 We live on the other side 1622 01:23:55,673 --> 01:23:57,340 We live on the other side 1623 01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:59,300 When cities sleep 1624 01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:00,560 We come alive 1625 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:01,480 When cities sleep 1626 01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:02,270 We come alive 1627 01:24:02,270 --> 01:24:03,520 In our secret place 1628 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:04,470 We congregate 1629 01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:05,840 In our secret place 1630 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,150 We congregate 1631 01:24:07,150 --> 01:24:09,200 Every night to celebrate 1632 01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:19,200 Every night to celebrate 1633 01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:31,560 Enter without prejudice 1634 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,280 Enter without prejudice 1635 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,270 No sacred words mean more than this 1636 01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:37,620 No Sacred words mean more than this 1637 01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:39,665 Just take a seat and listen close 1638 01:24:39,665 --> 01:24:42,170 Just take a seat and listen close 1639 01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:44,390 Enjoy some spirits with the ghosts 1640 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:46,890 Enjoy some spirits with the ghosts 1641 01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:51,700 You, you belong to the night time 1642 01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:55,228 Moving through the shadows of the street lights 1643 01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:59,988 You dance till the moon starts to fall 1644 01:24:59,988 --> 01:25:01,500 You run from the lightning 1645 01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:04,140 You belong to the night 1646 01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:08,140 You, you belong to the nigh time 1647 01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:13,140 Moving through the shadows under street lights 1648 01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:16,640 You dance till the moon starts to fall 1649 01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,440 You run from the light when you belong to the night 1650 01:25:39,353 --> 01:25:41,720 Echos of the sound and lights 1651 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,400 Echos of the sound and light 1652 01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,680 Shadows dance in pure delight 1653 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,120 Shadows dance in pure delight 1654 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,280 the rhythm is what pulled you in 1655 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,120 The rhythm is what pulled you in 1656 01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,465 Don't let this feeling ever end 1657 01:25:54,465 --> 01:25:57,362 Don't let this feeling ever it 1658 01:25:57,362 --> 01:26:01,262 You, you belong to the nigh time 1659 01:26:01,262 --> 01:26:05,690 Moving through the shadows under street lights 1660 01:26:05,690 --> 01:26:09,630 You dance till the moon starts to fall 1661 01:26:09,630 --> 01:26:14,195 You run from the light when you belong to the night 1662 01:26:14,195 --> 01:26:19,450 You, you belong to the nigh time 1663 01:26:19,450 --> 01:26:23,410 Moving through the shadows under street lights 1664 01:26:23,410 --> 01:26:27,290 You dance till the moon starts to fall 1665 01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:31,890 You run from the light when you belong to the night